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Offline Flench

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Reloads
« on: March 09, 2015, 01:27:28 PM »
Is it cheaper to reload your own ammo ? Like in my 270 cal rifle ? I know it use to be when I reloaded shot shells but that was back in the 90's . The way it stands now it don't take but a few minutes or more to burn up $100 worth of ammo and that's keeping me from shooting as much as I would like .
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Re: Reloads
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2015, 01:34:01 PM »
Is it cheaper to reload your own ammo ? Like in my 270 cal rifle ? I know it use to be when I reloaded shot shells but that was back in the 90's . The way it stands now it don't take but a few minutes or more to burn up $100 worth of ammo and that's keeping me from shooting as much as I would like .


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Re: Reloads
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2015, 01:39:51 PM »
Guess I well start looking at prices on what all I need .
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Re: Reloads
« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2015, 01:56:04 PM »
Broad generalities from someone who doesn't reload but who has looked into it as a possible future hobby:

Semi-expensive for initial setup.  You need to buy some stuff.
You need a work area with correct precautions (anti-static, etc).
You need to spend time educating yourself.
If you care at all about consistency/accuracy, you need to slow down (at first) and document the heck out of your process.
You need to research materials to figure out what is suitable, and then find a supplier that will be around for a long time since any time you change something, the bullets won't go out the bang stick in quite the same way.
You need to adjust your materials and build process to match your desired outcome.  If you want to hand load to save money, you need to buy in bulk and don't get wrapped up around buying the latest and greatest materials.  Get cheaper bullets and other parts that give you the desired consistency without making it all cost more than just buying boxed ammo.
On the other hand if you are hand loading for accuracy, you need to both do your research, and also actually build some ammo and go try them out to figure out what works best in your gun, then do it that exact same way until you intentionally change something to get a different result.  Consistent supply can be an issue so don't get some weird premium ammo from a company that will quit making it in a year or two.

I know a guy at work who hand loads all his pistol ammo, using recycled lead and brass.  He takes a trip to various open ranges with a shovel, bucket, and a couple of sizes of sorting mesh to rough sort the brass while he's out there.  He'll shovel the brass (and dirt and cigarette butts, etc) onto each kind of mesh over the bucket, and in an hour or two he can bring back a few buckets full of whatever brass he's out looking for, assuming the place hasn't already been picked clean that week by recyclers.  He has a friend who works in a tire store, so he gets pretty much all the free used tire weight lead he wants so he only has to buy any alloying metals and flux to get it to separate properly.  He buys lube, and he had to invest in some decent quality tools.  After the first few hundred bullets to break in the molds, he can crank out a couple hundred nearly pure lead bullets in an evening, including lube and prepping to be pressed into the casing.  Cleaning/sorting brass takes some time since he has to size each casing by hand, but he has a tumbler to clean them and his measuring gadget is partially automated.  He has various tools to make this all fairly easy and consistent, even though it remains labor intensive.

But he can crank out several hundred rounds in just a few1-2 hour evening sessions, for the cost of powder, primers, cleaning supplies for cleaning the brass, and bullet lube.  The lead and casings are free except for his time and gas spent to go get itm so he's saving a TON of money since he likes to shoot a lot.  But they're certainly not specialty bullets, just a reasonably consistent solid lead slug with either a hint of some alloy to help avoid fouling, or some sort of surface treatment (I can't remember what he does exactly).  When he gets on a roll he'll crank out hundreds of rounds at a time.  He doesn't have kids so he can set this stuff up anywhere in his apartment/house and not worry about the kids getting into it, but I imagine he had to do something about ventilation when he melts down the lead.

Someone hand loading for accuracy or competition will probably have a significantly different approach to all of that.

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Re: Reloads
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2015, 03:22:21 PM »
Broad generalities from someone who doesn't reload but who has looked into it as a possible future hobby:

Semi-expensive for initial setup.  You need to buy some stuff.
You need a work area with correct precautions (anti-static, etc).
You need to spend time educating yourself.
If you care at all about consistency/accuracy, you need to slow down (at first) and document the heck out of your process.
You need to research materials to figure out what is suitable, and then find a supplier that will be around for a long time since any time you change something, the bullets won't go out the bang stick in quite the same way.
You need to adjust your materials and build process to match your desired outcome.  If you want to hand load to save money, you need to buy in bulk and don't get wrapped up around buying the latest and greatest materials.  Get cheaper bullets and other parts that give you the desired consistency without making it all cost more than just buying boxed ammo.
On the other hand if you are hand loading for accuracy, you need to both do your research, and also actually build some ammo and go try them out to figure out what works best in your gun, then do it that exact same way until you intentionally change something to get a different result.  Consistent supply can be an issue so don't get some weird premium ammo from a company that will quit making it in a year or two.

I know a guy at work who hand loads all his pistol ammo, using recycled lead and brass.  He takes a trip to various open ranges with a shovel, bucket, and a couple of sizes of sorting mesh to rough sort the brass while he's out there.  He'll shovel the brass (and dirt and cigarette butts, etc) onto each kind of mesh over the bucket, and in an hour or two he can bring back a few buckets full of whatever brass he's out looking for, assuming the place hasn't already been picked clean that week by recyclers.  He has a friend who works in a tire store, so he gets pretty much all the free used tire weight lead he wants so he only has to buy any alloying metals and flux to get it to separate properly.  He buys lube, and he had to invest in some decent quality tools.  After the first few hundred bullets to break in the molds, he can crank out a couple hundred nearly pure lead bullets in an evening, including lube and prepping to be pressed into the casing.  Cleaning/sorting brass takes some time since he has to size each casing by hand, but he has a tumbler to clean them and his measuring gadget is partially automated.  He has various tools to make this all fairly easy and consistent, even though it remains labor intensive.

But he can crank out several hundred rounds in just a few1-2 hour evening sessions, for the cost of powder, primers, cleaning supplies for cleaning the brass, and bullet lube.  The lead and casings are free except for his time and gas spent to go get itm so he's saving a TON of money since he likes to shoot a lot.  But they're certainly not specialty bullets, just a reasonably consistent solid lead slug with either a hint of some alloy to help avoid fouling, or some sort of surface treatment (I can't remember what he does exactly).  When he gets on a roll he'll crank out hundreds of rounds at a time.  He doesn't have kids so he can set this stuff up anywhere in his apartment/house and not worry about the kids getting into it, but I imagine he had to do something about ventilation when he melts down the lead.

Someone hand loading for accuracy or competition will probably have a significantly different approach to all of that.


Thanks for the info . I mostly well be reloading for my BAR270 . It has the BOSS system on it so I can dial in pretty much any weight bullet I want to shoot out of it but I like a light load around 130 gr . Nice tip about the weights . I well have to check that out and get me some up .
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Re: Reloads
« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2015, 03:22:36 PM »
and just remember to keep safety at the forefront of all. 

least ways that's what my dad used to say when he did his own.
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« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2015, 03:25:33 PM »
and just remember to keep safety at the forefront of all. 

least ways that's what my dad used to say when he did his own.
That's for sure . Been down that road when I shot skeet all the time and reloaded AA hulls  . Needless to say it's not safe to smoke and do it , lol .
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« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2015, 04:22:04 PM »
I reload rifle ammunition, and find it much cheaper. There are a few wildcat cartridges I load that can run up to, or more than $100/20 rounds (7.82 Warbird and .338 Titan)  I also load the normal calibers as I like to be able to tweek the loads for different rifles. For rifle reloading I use all manual equipment. I have a regular RCBS press that works perfectly. It's more work than a progressive, but I'm really an-al when it comes to my rifle reloads.

For pistol (38,9mm,45,357sig) I use a Dillon progressive that's dynamite. It is definately cheaper then buying ammo, but the investment at first can be expensive. That said I have 2 full auto guns in 9mm and 45 that would break the bank on me if I had to buy ammo.

I reload .270 so if you would like some data I've collected over the years I'd be glad to share it with you. My 2 270 rifles (Paul Jaeger Custom and Pre 64Win Mod 70 Supergrade) are tack drivers at 200yrds. (I'm a junkie when it comes to high end rifles, but they are very good investments)

I really like that BOSS system, been looking at an Abolt with it, but man does it make them loud....LOL  Can't seem to decide between that or a J Rigby &Son in .416 a friend wants to sell me.
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Re: Reloads
« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2015, 05:20:06 PM »
We reload as well, just have a rcbs rockchucker press, nothing fancy but it gets job done.  I think we paid like 200 for press, scale, powder trickler, and a few other small items.  be very cautious about static electricity :old:, a friend had a static discharge and ignited the powder in his trickler.  reloading is awesome, you can fine tune your rounds to your gun.

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Re: Reloads
« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2015, 05:39:13 PM »
Its cheaper and you will enter a new era in accuracy with a commitment to precision reloading. The .270 is a great round to reload, by all means go for it and learn all you can.
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Re: Reloads
« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2015, 06:41:17 PM »
I really like that BOSS system, been looking at an Abolt with it, but man does it make them loud....LOL  Can't seem to decide between that or a J Rigby &Son in .416 a friend wants to sell me.

I have an A-Bolt 7mm rem magnum with the BOSS.  The boss is awesome with that.  The recoil energy is spread over a longer duration which makes it a lot more fun to shoot more than a couple rounds at a time.  The downside is as you say, a louder report with more "impact" coming back at you through the air, and if you're prone on dirt it'll kick up a lot of dust unless you put a towel or something under the dangerous end of the barrel.

If I ever take up reloading it'll be because of that 7mm...  Expensive gun to shoot, couple bucks per shot using decent boxed ammo.  The nice thing about the 7mm and why I bought it, was the vast flexibility of the thing.  I can shoot lighter bullets, maybe boat-tail with a ballistic nylon tip, and take light game at insane ranges, or load up heavier rounds and take down a moose, still at a pretty long range.  The first day I ever shot it, I sighted it in at 300 yards.  After tuning, from a simple sandbag on a table seated-position rest I got 4 consecutive 1.5 inch 3-shot groups at 300 yards.  Crazy accurate and flat shooting.

The major downside is that the BOSS makes the barrel longer and heavier.  The abolt I got (stainless stalker) has a lightweight black composite stock but the gun is still pretty large and heavy.

If I ever get into reloading it'll be for the 7mm, .40 S&W, and maybe .223 if prices and supply remain strange.  I have a tiny 380 auto but don't plan on ever shooting enough with the pocket pistol to need reloads to lower cost.
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Re: Reloads
« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2015, 07:35:09 PM »
Yep I agree Eagl, my Buddie loads a 110gr Barnes TTSX for varmint hunting, and then turn around and loads a 180gr Berger VLD for Elk, he got a huge 7x6 last year, dropped it like a sack of potatoes. His varmint loads are just a sight to behold. He has it sighted dead on at 250......the only way to punch paper more accurately would be to walk up to the target and do it with your finger. He shoots it out of his Sako Bavarian Carbine. (Think a Sako with a Mannlicher-Shoenauer full length stock with the deep Euro comb drop)  thing of beauty.

Is it wrong that I get the chills thinking about nice rifles?
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Re: Reloads
« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2015, 09:00:39 AM »
Thanks for the info men , mbailey , send me that 270 info when you can .
One has to be careful when shooting the BOSS , my long time big game hunting buddy learned to stay behind me when we go to take down a running deer . He shoot's the 270 to but his does no have the BOSS on it . Sometimes I wish I can take it off from my ears ringing after a day shooting it .
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Re: Reloads
« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2015, 09:34:47 AM »
I started reloading .243 this winter for coyote rounds. We've had good supply of ammo until early this winter. I went to cabelas and picked the last box of .243 they had.  They havent had much for stock since then. Nor has any other sporting store or Walmart here.  Last week I was in, they were completely sold out of all powder, now there is no supply of ammo or powder, even bullet selection is getting thin. Premium grade bullets are gone, and just second choice stuff left. Plenty of supply for factory load larger caliber ammo, just nothing really for .243 and smaller.
  Reloading is a lot simpler than I thought it would be.  I have a lee classic press and am very happy with the end product. Consistent shot groups and its quite fun and rewarding building a higher grade round.  Get yourself a chronograph if don't already, you'll need it to get the max potential from powder/bullet combinations. 

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Re: Reloads
« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2015, 10:10:29 AM »
I got one case left of .243 but I don't shoot it as much as I do my Browning 270 . That's the best rifle I have ever shot . Just wish I could put a bigger mag in it but if I did I probable melt the barrel ,.
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