Bombing & Bailing is getting ridiculous

[Fate]

Or maybe it's always been ridiculous. I don't know. But it's being abused by certain (I won't name names) teams/countries to the point of absurdity. In the last 2 days I've watched 5 bomber groups do it in front of me alone. And I'm rarely chasing bombers. The 'base takers' use it as a tactical tool, which in the sim world, doesn't add up, since such tactics wouldn't cut it IRL.

No idea if the damage model would support it, but it sure would be nice if there were consequences for jumping out of a perfectly good airplane other than absorbing deaths, which obviously aren't of consequence.

In real life, you bail out / ditch and you wouldn't be upping right away. How about you get a tower time-out anytime you have to use one of those options? The guys who ditch in fighters to avoid giving up a kill are just as bad as the bomber bailers. Let them walk back home & think about what they've done 

Thanks for listening to my drivel.

[pembquist]

I sorta agree up to the complaint about fighters ditching about which I completely disagree.

There is plenty to squeak about with this game but realize it is like democracy in the sense that it is the worst possible game except for all the others.

[Fate]

There is plenty to squeak about with this game but realize it is like democracy in the sense that it is the worst possible game except for all the others.

 

How does making a suggestion in the 'wishlist' forum - a forum set up specifically to solicit user input - equate to criticism? I love this game. Making a suggestion isn't criticism. It is exactly what it is - a suggestion.

Or did I accidentally post in the "Love it or leave it" thread?

[Wiley]

Or maybe it's always been ridiculous. I don't know. But it's being abused by certain (I won't name names) teams/countries to the point of absurdity. In the last 2 days I've watched 5 bomber groups do it in front of me alone. And I'm rarely chasing bombers. The 'base takers' use it as a tactical tool, which in the sim world, doesn't add up, since such tactics wouldn't cut it IRL.

No idea if the damage model would support it, but it sure would be nice if there were consequences for jumping out of a perfectly good airplane other than absorbing deaths, which obviously aren't of consequence.

In real life, you bail out / ditch and you wouldn't be upping right away. How about you get a tower time-out anytime you have to use one of those options? The guys who ditch in fighters to avoid giving up a kill are just as bad as the bomber bailers. Let them walk back home & think about what they've done 

Thanks for listening to my drivel.

The usual counterargument to that one is 'They're not paying $14.95 a month to sit in tower on timeout.'  Also, what if they ride it down and auger?  If you're going to put people on timeout anytime they go down...  I don't think it would be popular.

Wiley.

[Oldman731]

This is something that is irritating, but it really isn't A Problem.

I was thinking (before posting in another thread) about how I've observed this sort of behavior since at least 1995.  I understand the frustration, but really, it doesn't rise to the level of something that demands a change in game programming.

- oldman

[Karnak]

The problem is coming up with a solution that both addresses the problem without causing collateral damage and is not easily circumvented.

I've yet to see a viable solution proposed other than lightly perking the heavy bombers and B-26 and Tu-2.

I do agree it is very irritating though.

[Wiley]

The problem is coming up with a solution that both addresses the problem without causing collateral damage and is not easily circumvented.

I've yet to see a viable solution proposed other than lightly perking the heavy bombers and B-26 and Tu-2.

I do agree it is very irritating though.

And that puts it under the ineffective category.  It's either not heavy enough to be a detriment, or heavy enough to be a detriment, but also penalizes legit bomber pilots (collateral damage).

Wiley.

[bozon]

The problem is coming up with a solution that both addresses the problem without causing collateral damage and is not easily circumvented.

I've yet to see a viable solution proposed other than lightly perking the heavy bombers and B-26 and Tu-2.

I do agree it is very irritating though.

Perk only the two drones. If they want to bomb and bail they can do it for free only with a single buff.
The whole idea about B&B is efficiency. Put a perk price tag on this efficiency.

Since only 2 of the 3 bombers are perked. Players can lose one bomber and still get a full refund after landing. Combined with a low cost and the ease of accumulating bomber perks (relative to fighter perks) and all players should be able to afford drones (assuming they land occasionally).

[darkzking]

if there going to perk bomber formations then it should take less damage to kill objects

[caldera]

Ditching a group of hand-holders beats landing kills any day! 




How hard is it to kill a plane that is at landing speed - and likely critically damaged?   

[guncrasher]

Or maybe it's always been ridiculous. I don't know. But it's being abused by certain (I won't name names) teams/countries to the point of absurdity. In the last 2 days I've watched 5 bomber groups do it in front of me alone. And I'm rarely chasing bombers. The 'base takers' use it as a tactical tool, which in the sim world, doesn't add up, since such tactics wouldn't cut it IRL.

No idea if the damage model would support it, but it sure would be nice if there were consequences for jumping out of a perfectly good airplane other than absorbing deaths, which obviously aren't of consequence.

In real life, you bail out / ditch and you wouldn't be upping right away. How about you get a tower time-out anytime you have to use one of those options? The guys who ditch in fighters to avoid giving up a kill are just as bad as the bomber bailers. Let them walk back home & think about what they've done 

Thanks for listening to my drivel.

5 sets in 2 days out of how many sorties?  how many total enemy players did you see fought that didnt bail?  as for fighters ditching, well chase them down and kill them as they try to ditch like the rest of us.

I was online 2 days in a row saw not a single bomber bail out and we had quite a few.  actually I think the only one I saw bail out was me and that was because I upped from the wrong base.


semp

[Wiley]

5 sets in 2 days out of how many sorties?  how many total enemy players did you see fought that didnt bail?  as for fighters ditching, well chase them down and kill them as they try to ditch like the rest of us.

I was online 2 days in a row during US primetime saw not a single bomber bail outduring US primetime and we had quite a fewduring US primetime.  actually I think the only one I saw bail out was me and that was because I upped from the wrong base.


semp

Yup.  If you can't see it, it's not there.

Wiley.

[guncrasher]

Yup.  If you can't see it, it's not there.

Wiley.

you mean it doesnt happen during primtime?  we'll there's your solution.  allow flying only during primetime only.  see how easy it is to solve the bomb and bailing problem that is getting ridiculous due to the increasing number of threads.


semp

[Wiley]

you mean it doesnt happen during primtime?  we'll there's your solution.  allow flying only during primetime only.  see how easy it is to solve the bomb and bailing problem that is getting ridiculous due to the increasing number of threads.


semp

As a percentage of planes in the air, it's far lower.  Off hours brings out the milkrunners.  If there are only 3 bombers in the air for a side and 2 of them are chronic bailers, it becomes slightly more of an issue.

Wiley.

[guncrasher]

As a percentage of planes in the air, it's far lower.  Off hours brings out the milkrunners.  If there are only 3 bombers in the air for a side and 2 of them are chronic bailers, it becomes slightly more of an issue.

Wiley.

well since the op mentioned 5 planes in 2 days, that still leaves a lot of time to find somebody who wants to fight.  btw what exactly is prime time?


semp