Bombing & Bailing is getting ridiculous

[Wiley]

well since the op mentioned 5 planes in 2 days, that still leaves a lot of time to find somebody who wants to fight.  btw what exactly is prime time?


semp

Evenings.  If you want numbers, I'd ballpark it 6pm-12am Eastern, but please, do tell about how you play at 5 and it's all swell.  I'm sure it will be enthralling.

Wiley.

[guncrasher]

Evenings.  If you want numbers, I'd ballpark it 6pm-12am Eastern, but please, do tell about how you play at 5 and it's all swell.  I'm sure it will be enthralling.

Wiley.

it's 3:28 right now been playing for over an hour.  at 5 i was playing and having fun, didnt see a single bomber bail. and there were plenty of bombers.

btw I sometimes play until 12 pst with numbers in the double digits, I find bombers and have yet to see this bailing epidemic you are talking about.


semp

[Wiley]

it's 3:28 right now been playing for over an hour.  at 5 i was playing and having fun, didnt see a single bomber bail. and there were plenty of bombers.
semp

And how many of them were strat runners?

Wiley.

[guncrasher]

And how many of them were strat runners?

Wiley.

strats were getting hit, we killed some there, didnt see any bailers.  there were also many raids everywhere as rooks were trying to reset the map.  didnt see any bailers either.

semp

[Wiley]

strats were getting hit, we killed some there, didnt see any bailers.  there were also many raids everywhere as rooks were trying to reset the map.  didnt see any bailers either.

semp

Small map, multiple people making runs at once, is not the situation the milkrunner BnBers come out for.  But ok semp.  It obviously doesn't happen.  Everyone is imagining it.

Wiley.

[Slade]

I am generally OK with them bailing.  The ones that bail just to avoid combat is my major beef.

I notice this over-and-over.  Leave them alone...they generally return.  Start in on a run to take them down and there they go.

Interestingly (wont name names) I was called out by one because I would not turn fight his LA7 in a boom-and-zoom plane very low on fuel.  He'd previous bomb and bailed and I did get his proxy kills.  I did not want them.  Did not earn them.  Wish we had the ability to give away perks points and proxy kills to new players.

[guncrasher]

Small map, multiple people making runs at once, is not the situation the milkrunner BnBers come out for.  But ok semp.  It obviously doesn't happen.  Everyone is imagining it.

Wiley.

not saying it doesn't happen,  just saying some like  to exaggerate as to how often it happens.


semp

[Wiley]

not saying it doesn't happen,  just saying some like  to exaggerate as to how often it happens.


semp

The conditions it happens under though are generally at the worst possible times and magnify its impact.

It's usually when there's almost nobody on, that singleton bardar is one of three things in the air on the other side, and he bails.  If there were three more on the way 12 miles behind him, I agree who cares?  But that's not generally how it happens when it happens.  Although I can think of one instance in the last month where I watched 2 sets of heavies bail after dropping their load within icon distance of each other, it's rare.

Wiley.

[earl1937]

Or maybe it's always been ridiculous. I don't know. But it's being abused by certain (I won't name names) teams/countries to the point of absurdity. In the last 2 days I've watched 5 bomber groups do it in front of me alone. And I'm rarely chasing bombers. The 'base takers' use it as a tactical tool, which in the sim world, doesn't add up, since such tactics wouldn't cut it IRL.

No idea if the damage model would support it, but it sure would be nice if there were consequences for jumping out of a perfectly good airplane other than absorbing deaths, which obviously aren't of consequence.

In real life, you bail out / ditch and you wouldn't be upping right away. How about you get a tower time-out anytime you have to use one of those options? The guys who ditch in fighters to avoid giving up a kill are just as bad as the bomber bailers. Let them walk back home & think about what they've done 

Thanks for listening to my drivel.

I know this game wasn't designed to be a WW2 combat sim, but he fact that we use WW2 equipment to play the game with, shouldn't it closely resemble what when on in WW2? Wonder if the allies would have won the war, if bomber pilots bailed after bombing anything in Germany?
I realize there are theses things happening with no penalties, but how about "stick" steering? its just as bad and shouldn't be allowed. If you are going to play the game, you should be required to at least fly these things just like the real one which you are pretending to be in!!!
Fire at will guys~~~~

[pembquist]

How does making a suggestion in the 'wishlist' forum - a forum set up specifically to solicit user input - equate to criticism? I love this game. Making a suggestion isn't criticism. It is exactly what it is - a suggestion.

Or did I accidentally post in the "Love it or leave it" thread?

My point wasn't that you were criticising and I disapprove, it is that there isn't much you can do about bomb and bailing without messing up some other part of the game.

But who cares about that, what do you find objectionable about people landing crippled planes off field,(AKA ditching,)?

[guncrasher]

I know this game wasn't designed to be a WW2 combat sim, but he fact that we use WW2 equipment to play the game with, shouldn't it closely resemble what when on in WW2? Wonder if the allies would have won the war, if bomber pilots bailed after bombing anything in Germany?
I realize there are theses things happening with no penalties, but how about "stick" steering? its just as bad and shouldn't be allowed. If you are going to play the game, you should be required to at least fly these things just like the real one which you are pretending to be in!!!
Fire at will guys~~~~

if you do a bit or research you will find out that there were more than a couple of lancasters that would fly nw of england  and just circle.  england sent spitfires and hurricanes with  orders to shoot them down.

heck you can find stories of fighter pilots that for some reason they would have trouble with their airplane 1/2 the time they went up.

semp

[Zimme83]

Was also more than one fighter pilot that just fired the guns dry and rtb at first sight of cons. Its i guess a little difference if u can get killed for real. All these games is for fighter ace wannabes that dont want to experience the down sides of aerial warfare. We simply have to accept that there are some "gamey" stuffs in a game. after all, noone would play a game where u were sittin on a base untill someone told u to start and fly to a certain point and wait for an enemy that might show up. here we can land more kills in a week than Hartmann got in 3 years.

[Mano]

One way to discourage bombers from bailing is to assign perk points to all heavy bombers.

Lancs 5 perks
B-24  4 perks
b-17 3 perks

Leave the b-29 and Arado 234 with their current values.

If a bomber bailed with 3 Lancs, he would lose 7.5 perks ( no damage ) and 15 perks ( with damage )


 

[Wiley]

not saying it doesn't happen,  just saying some like  to exaggerate as to how often it happens.


semp

Saturday morning.  12:00 Eastern.  I log in.  Bardar for 3, possibly up to 6 enemy aircraft on the entire front.  One over the city, one over the fuel.  I head for the one at the city, approximately 2 minutes after I up, I watch his unmolested dot disappear off the radar he's showing on.

Not whining, just showing a handy and timely example of the times it does happen, it's pretty much destroying what little gameplay there is to be had at that time.

Wiley.

[ink]

I know this game wasn't designed to be a WW2 combat sim, but he fact that we use WW2 equipment to play the game with, shouldn't it closely resemble what when on in WW2? Wonder if the allies would have won the war, if bomber pilots bailed after bombing anything in Germany?
I realize there are theses things happening with no penalties, but how about "stick" steering? its just as bad and shouldn't be allowed. If you are going to play the game, you should be required to at least fly these things just like the real one which you are pretending to be in!!!
Fire at will guys~~~~

no it shouldn't...war sucks...games are fun.


and no you shouldn't be "required" to fly them the way they were really flown....this is not a flight simulator....and in NO way does it simulate the efforts needed to fly a real plane.

 yes those who bomb and bail are not really playing the game to its intent as a combat simulator....

 so are the ones who run to ack when they lose position (even though some call that combat haha)

 thankfully we can play our game how we want....how they play their game does not matter one iota if you dont let it.