A-320 crash

[MrRiplEy[H]]

im curious why germanwings could not fly over French airspace direct to dusseldorf.

It's a budget airline. They choose the cheapest options for airspace and airfields. For example when you fly Ryanair etc. you may fly from some real small secondary airports because their charges are much lower than the main airport.

[Traveler]

Not exactly Sir. Learjets do not use O2 bottle for pressurization, they use bleed air off the engine compressors made suitable for breathing via one or more air conditioning Pack. They carry a small amount of emergency O2 for the pilots. Typically enough to cover an emergency decent or to fight an on-board fire.

 Learjet model 35, registration N47BA had according to the NTSB been "snagged" for pressurization issues prior to the day of the accident but had been rectified.

This is an exact quote from the NTSB accident report:
The probable cause of this accident was incapacitation of the flight crew members as a result of their failure to receive supplemental oxygen following a loss of cabin pressurization, for undetermined reasons.

Your are correct, the supplemental oxygen bottle was the one that needed to be opened manually as part of the pre-flight.     When they lost pressurization off the engine for what ever reason, they had no demand oxygen.   Thanks for the info.

[Gh0stFT]

BBC reporting that the Co-Pilot deliberately locked out the Captain, started the descent,  was alive until impact.

Imagine that, why, just why?

[Traveler]

I wonder if the cockpit recorder recorded the co-pilot chanting the prayer of the dead.  Looks like  terrorism.

[Zimme83]

They seems to deny that he was linked to any terrorist group.

[Traveler]

They seems to deny that he was linked to any terrorist group.

  He killed a plane load of people and himself, sounds like terrorist to me.

[Golfer]

I wonder if the cockpit recorder recorded the co-pilot chanting the prayer of the dead.  Looks like  terrorism.

He isn't the first suicidal pilot nor would they be the first to go crazy in the cockpit for a myriad of reasons.

While it's possible I don't put a suicidal individual into the terrorist hat without some supporting evidence.  Until then it's a selfish individual (the word I'd use would call him a potato or something)  I'd think a terrorist would want to make a bigger splash, if you will.  Crashing a jet in the middle of some mountains doesn't fit that agenda without some groups claiming responsibility right away and blowing their horn.  Rolling in a 3000fpm descent and making your peace with whatever deity...I can see that.

[Traveler]

Perhaps its time to add a third person to the cockpit, armed.

[Zimme83]

Depends on how u define "terrorist". But imo its about motive, if he did it for political reason, then its an act of terror, regardless of religion etc. If it was an act of psychic disorder then its not a terrorist act.

[Golfer]

Perhaps its time to add a third person to the cockpit, armed.

 

Yeah and they can hire a flock of quiet birdmen to do the job too.  Just need some stripes and a hat with scrambled eggs on it to remind you of the good ol days, right?

It's bad enough keeping frigging cameras out of the cockpit now you want some goon with a gun?  NFW.

[Traveler]

Yeah and they can hire a flock of quiet birdmen to do the job too.  Just need some stripes and a hat with scrambled eggs on it to remind you of the good ol days, right?

It's bad enough keeping frigging cameras out of the cockpit now you want some goon with a gun?  NFW.

I know a number of Air Marshals that  are flying everyday in the US and on some international flights.  Not asking for a goon, but  if there had been a third guy in that cockpit do you think the result would have been the same? 

[mbailey]

Paging Egypt Air.........

Sadly looks like your correct.

Just sad.

[PR3D4TOR]

With time and technology we can hopefully remove these irrational, emotional, fallible, sometimes suicidal stick monkeys from the cockpit altogether.

[Zimme83]

I know a number of Air Marshals that  are flying everyday in the US and on some international flights.  Not asking for a goon, but  if there had been a third guy in that cockpit do you think the result would have been the same?

And what prevent that guy from flipping out and kill the pilots?

[Golfer]

I know a number of Air Marshals that  are flying everyday in the US and on some international flights.  Not asking for a goon, but  if there had been a third guy in that cockpit do you think the result would have been the same?

No, I don't think it would be different. I'm not going to discuss openly the FAMs or their operation but an FFDO is enough.  Someone jumpseating all the time who is supposed to shoot you if you do something weird?  What do they know about what's weird or not? 

Bad idea not withstanding where are you going to find them?  You're not able to staff every single flight.

There's a certain irony that these doors are meant to keep bad guys out of the cockpit.  No thought given to what happens if they are in the cockpit already.