There's not a lot more satisfying then outwitting a shade

[DmonSlyr]

When a player, with a shade account.......uses it to locate resources (C47 landed).....or to foresee a incoming NOE mission.

If you are a honest player, then the only resources you have is your intuition, experience, reading the map. Not spinning your chair around to your 2nd PC....logging into the country your fighting against....and getting information from that source.

I normally just ask my squad mates who are on the other team  . A lot easier than paying an extra $15 a month... Just sayin. 

In all seriousness. From a business perspective, I'm sure HTC would rather garner the extra payment, than "potentially" losing players due to spying. Plus if someone has kids that like to play during the same time, a second account from the house is fine.. This would be very hard to control who is shading and who is simply using another comp for their kids. It would limit the money flow one way or another.

[capera]

You could "plan" for the possibility.......but why?  Why allow customers the opportunity to abuse the system?

We have all seen the numbers dropping, and it is not because Aces High is an outdated or no fun to play......but it really makes "playing" the sim senseless, when we accept cheating, as part of normal game play.

Again....gamers....combat flight sim enthusiasts are interested in a FAIR environment. Especially the new players. They expect it, when they subscribe.....but I am sure they walk away from the sim, once they realize that people are using these shade accounts and there is no possibly for fair game play.

[capera]

Very true, DmonSylr.......very hard to regulate, as some people have kids that play, and would need that second account in the household.

I do not know what the answer is, from Hitech's perspective.........but I know this abuse of the system is making me second guess why I would invest 40 - 50 hours a month. Maybe it's time to find a new sim that will offer a fair playing field.

[Scca]

There is one guy who uses his shade by driving Jeep near enough to a field and parking it in a barn  leaving the base to flash constantly.  That jeep being hard to find in a barn causes others to think there is a real attack when there is none. 

Sadly, there are griefers out there who's entire purpose in life is to circumvent the intended purpose with the sole intent to be a horses back side.  What a jerk....

[Someguy63]

Very true, DmonSylr.......very hard to regulate, as some people have kids that play, and would need that second account in the household.

I do not know what the answer is, from Hitech's perspective.........but I know this abuse of the system is making me second guess why I would invest 40 - 50 hours a month. Maybe it's time to find a new sim that will offer a fair playing field.

Impossible to regulate. It is not abuse of the system... And you will not find a sim like this where this problem is eliminated.

 Do you actually think it would be of sense to attempt to stop people from opening another account? It's not even that BIG a deal...So let's say you run a mission and one guy shows up suspiciously "early", so what? Are there 5? 10? 20 as well?? NO!!...you just need to accept the fact it will not go away and also that's it's not as big a problem in game as it is in your head.

[Lazerr]

Ive changed names a few times wayy back, but it was never to gain an advantage,  just a change of clothes.

If you use another account to gain an advantage in this game,  I feel really bad for you.

If you quit the game because of this,  I feel bad for you too.  You are missing the fun part of the game. 

[capera]

NO!!...you just need to accept the fact it will not go away and also that's it's not as big a problem in game as it is in your head.

Well....the problem is not "In" my head....it is a very real problem. One that is hurting this community.

2nd.... I do not have to accept it. I simple close my account, and one less player.

It blows me away, that there are actually people that find this acceptable. 

[Wiley]

You could "plan" for the possibility.......but why?

If your plan hinges on a complete lack of enemy contact, frankly your plan sucks.  What if that goon gets found by a legitimate educated guess?  Is it any less dead?  Why did you leave your goon unprotected?

  Why allow customers the opportunity to abuse the system?

Because there are many legitimate reasons for people to have multiple accounts?

We have all seen the numbers dropping, and it is not because Aces High is an outdated or no fun to play......but it really makes "playing" the sim senseless, when we accept cheating, as part of normal game play.

Again....gamers....combat flight sim enthusiasts are interested in a FAIR environment. Especially the new players. They expect it, when they subscribe.....but I am sure they walk away from the sim, once they realize that people are using these shade accounts and there is no possibly for fair game play.

And the worst thing that will happen is they might have to fight their way into the base and deal with resistance.  Some people call that 'gameplay'.

Wiley.

[Someguy63]

Well....the problem is not "In" my head....it is a very real problem. One that is hurting this community.

2nd.... I do not have to accept it. I simple close my account, and one less player.

It blows me away, that there are actually people that find this acceptable. 

Explain to me the extent of this "very real" problem.

Of course I accept it, people will be people...and you want HiTech to do something about that?

[Ack-Ack]

True......sometimes SHADE is used too quickly, but the numbers of players the sim is losing...is not due to AH being a outdated or it is a bad sim. People are getting sick of losing to these people who use two accounts, and use those accounts to gain an advantage.

the reason for the decline in numbers is not the result of players using "shades".  The reason for the decline is that the game is outdated (in terms of graphics and gameplay) that old players are growing bored and new players aren't provided the "hook" for them to stay.

ack-ack

[capera]

If you quit the game because of this,  I feel bad for you too.  You are missing the fun part of the game. 

If I decide to leave.... I feel bad too. 14 years I have enjoyed this game.....but lately, there has been too many situations where we would try to run a squadron op, only to have the element of surprise taken away because someone pays an extra $14.95 and is being dishonest with the extra account.

This is a great sim and community, but if this form of cheating is allowed and/or accepted, then what's the point?

[Ack-Ack]

This is a great sim and community, but if this form of cheating is allowed and/or accepted, then what's the point?

Having a "shade" account isn't a form of cheating, nor should someone having one be banned or otherwise receive some sort of disciplinary action for having one.  The only time anything should be done if there is concrete and verifiable evidence the person is engaging in activities that are in violation of the terms of service, not just for having a 2nd account.

ack-ack

[capera]

Come on ack-ack.........that is what I have been saying from the beginning. There are situations where there will be more than one account on one IP address. Having a second account is not the problem. It is when this second account is abused.......and in the Main Arena, it has been abused.

Ask around.....most squadrons that organize and try to execute missions have experienced situations that the only explanation is the "use" of these additional accounts to gain the upper hand.

Gave my .02 cents worth.....some will agree, some will not. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

 

[Latrobe]

Why do some people think combat in a combat game is a bad thing? 


What if there really is someone using a 2nd account to spot missions? So what? What happens if he ups to intercept? He's vastly outnumbered. Just kill him. If he find the goon and kills it, well why was the goon unprotected? Goons don't have guns, they can't defend themselves. Give the poor goons some escort. Why was there only 1 goon? ALWAYS bring backup troops. That's base taking 101. You can never have too many goons. If the "spy" brings friends, so what? Kill them as well. Your plane has guns that can do other things besides strafe building and ack. Combat in a combat game is nothing but a good thing and makes the game fun.

[capera]

Why do some people think combat in a combat game is a bad thing? 

LOVE combat.....in a combat game.

But I also like a fair playing field, where we ALL come to the table with SKILL in hand. Not skill created by an extra $14.95