Congratulations Rud3boi!

[DmonSlyr]

The 51 and Dora are only easy-mode if you look at them from a survivability standpoint. It still takes quite a decent amount of skill to beat a competent opponent in a more maneuverable aircraft 1v1 in those. Surviving in the MA vs winning 1v1 are two different things.

The Yak-3 isn't really easy-mode by any means. It's a very capable aircraft, but you have to know how to fly it. Most Yaks are simply annoying at best because most players can't fly them. I've yet to see anyone in game who actually flies it well (aside from Kruel).

Chanzz will give you a nice fight unsuspectingly in a yak in the MA. He pops in and out on occassion. One of the few who have flown it as their main ride for years.

I don't like the one  20 mm gun scenario in the MA, not my favorite plane at slow speeds. It is also a great fight for my 109.

I don't consider it a "newb" plane either.

[DmonSlyr]

M2 vs Mk108 your argument there is wrong, if Bustr shows up he will show you that the MK108 has some of the worst qualities in the game(I believe the only weapon with a worse drop in the Hurri 2 Ds 40mm) M2 > MK108 any day...now as far as fighting styles, slashing attacks, saddling opponents...I used to say aircraft has something to do with that but in the end it's all ACM, I can use slashing attacks in a hog and clip different parts(if not shoot down completely first pass because M2s are very lethal) and I can saddle an opponent in a K4 and put a tator in his butt, ACM is all about maneuvering your aircraft in a way to kill an opponent....Why I think planes are easy mode is because they do certain flight characteristics in a certain way which makes ACM easier to do in the MA. (F4U has a fast and maneuverable dive rate so BnZ is VERY EASY to do in it)

Most of your arguments can be said for the same planes you and others call easy mode.. "you can get picked easily by not shooting the guy down quickly enough" That applies to all planes.....

No you don't have to slow down "most of the time" if you are slowing down the problem isn't the plane...it's the pilot. Now are you slowing down because your trading speed for ALT?

Views in both aircraft do make it harder for SA(Did they update the views in the hogs??? I feel like they are better these days") but look at the LA7 compared to a K4, their views are comparable.

109s do not dive well.....rgr tracking(I fly them enough) but it's acceleration does make up for it a bit

F4Us don't accelerate that well.....rgr tracking but the thing dives like a boss and can maneuver at high speed (Spit 16 can't do that)


My list of easy mode planes(top 10) non perked (Just so everyone understands where I'm coming from)
Spit16
LA7
P51
N1K
F4U
Dora
KI84
yak3
109K4
Typh

Junky, no where in there did I say the 30mm was better than the 50cal armament, but you have to use the guns in different ways, which makes them difficult to use. Slash attack in the F4U with 50 cals is worse than slash attack with 30mm because not enough 50s hit the plane. The key to using the 30mm is to get your enemy stalled and slow passing right in front of you, to get into this position makes your plane easily pickable but does take ACM to aquire the position. Also you have to be very keen on your SA.  With the 50 cals, you want to sprey their wings off as they turn nose down or up, and then extend away. This is a tough shot for a 30mm shottaker to make.
In both planes, it is easy to lose E and get jumped on by getting too slow during your engagement because you couldn't take down the plane on the first pass. It mostly comes down to the pilot. But given the circumstances I'm describing which ballistics work best for the type of fighting style you need to use to fly these planes.

[Oldman731]

The Yak-3 isn't really easy-mode by any means.

One of my rare kills of Batfink was in a Yak3.  If that can happen - if the Oldman can kill Batfink in a fair fight - then Yak3 is easy-mode.

I have confirmed that in the (rare) subsequent cases when I felt that flying such a plane was warranted because the home base was under attack.  It's an easy plane, very nice to fly, limited guns (but still better than the 202's WWI armament), should still fly rings around most other aircraft.

- oldman

[JunkyII]

The Yak-3 isn't really easy-mode by any means. It's a very capable aircraft, but you have to know how to fly it. Most Yaks are simply annoying at best because most players can't fly them. I've yet to see anyone in game who actually flies it well (aside from Kruel).

My first time flying it was in KOTH and I won the round, it's a plug and play like the Brewster, anyone can jump in a make it doing something special(YES I think the Brewster is easy)

And you are correct for survivability, but that can also be said about a lot of aircraft.

F4U gets in a situation....it dives to friends(Look at your Jayro videos on youtube)

Junky, no where in there did I say the 30mm was better than the 50cal armament, but you have to use the guns in different ways, which makes them difficult to use. Slash attack in the F4U with 50 cals is worse than slash attack with 30mm because not enough 50s hit the plane. The key to using the 30mm is to get your enemy stalled and slow passing right in front of you, to get into this position makes your plane easily pickable but does take ACM to aquire the position. Also you have to be very keen on your SA.  With the 50 cals, you want to sprey their wings off as they turn nose down or up, and then extend away. This is a tough shot for a 30mm shottaker to make.
In both planes, it is easy to lose E and get jumped on by getting too slow during your engagement because you couldn't take down the plane on the first pass. It mostly comes down to the pilot. But given the circumstances I'm describing which ballistics work best for the type of fighting style you need to use to fly these planes.

Must have read it wrong, apologies. But I still disagree on the hog being EZ mode, and I understand what your saying about setting up different shots.

If anyone would like to run some tests with me in the DA, we can figure this out in about 30 1v1s.

I'll fly a F4U-1

You fly all the other popular aircraft, we will time the length and records of the fights. Then I will fly a N1K, LA7, Spit 16(An easy mode bird) and do the same. Then I will fly something else like a Mossy, 152, P51B and do the same thing.

I'm betting that the F4U-1 will be a lot closer(Numbers wise) to an LA/N1K/Spit then a 152(Probably my main ride).

[DmonSlyr]

My first time flying it was in KOTH and I won the round, it's a plug and play like the Brewster, anyone can jump in a make it doing something special(YES I think the Brewster is easy)

And you are correct for survivability, but that can also be said about a lot of aircraft.

F4U gets in a situation....it dives to friends(Look at your Jayro videos on youtube)Must have read it wrong, apologies. But I still disagree on the hog being EZ mode, and I understand what your saying about setting up different shots.

If anyone would like to run some tests with me in the DA, we can figure this out in about 30 1v1s.

I'll fly a F4U-1

You fly all the other popular aircraft, we will time the length and records of the fights. Then I will fly a N1K, LA7, Spit 16(An easy mode bird) and do the same. Then I will fly something else like a Mossy, 152, P51B and do the same thing.

I'm betting that the F4U-1 will be a lot closer(Numbers wise) to an LA/N1K/Spit then a 152(Probably my main ride).

Well if I can get 5 min to actually play longer I'm down for the DA to experiment. However, the hogs are great 1v1 and I think they are amazing turners, however, vs a 152 in the same fight in the DA, the 152 will easily gain the high advantage, which is not a spot the f4u likes to be in. The reason  I think the F4U is not an easy mode plane is because 70% of the time you are flying in the defensive position. Any plane where you mostly fly defensively is a tough ride, that is why I feel the same about 109s. 109s are one of the best defensive planes in the game, that is why I like to fly it so much. The F4U is great at turning, but you have to know how to turn it properly, you can't just whip it around, the 1Hog gets into a nasty upside down flat spin.  In a 1v1 with a plane on equal speed the F4U is deadly. But flying the the MA with high BnZers around you makes the plane difficult because you can't always outrun the horde chasing you down behind you, and if you give up to much speed and alt to kill a plane, your chances of getting chased down increase substantially. If you don't keep your E alt advantage in the F4U, you have to fly defensively becuase you cannot simply extend away and that's why it is a tough plane in the MA. 

Plus you are experienced junky, so when you say it is easy to do this or that, you are comparing that to your skill level and not perceived from a inexperienced player who is still learning how the planes fly.

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Plus you are experienced junky, so when you say it is easy to do this or that, you are comparing that to your skill level and not perceived from a inexperienced player who is still learning how the planes fly.

this right here....

that "experiment" wont prove a single thing...


Im sorry junky but anyone who compares the F4us to the 16 and says they are the same.......well to be nice...that is straight up laughable.


the responsiveness of the 16 is so far above the F4U's they are not in the same ballpark....the 16 you can make mistake after mistake,pretty much where ever you point the nose it goes....it rolls insane..... climbs insane....doesn't need flaps to fight ...can slow down and regain speed at will.....can fight with a full tank of gas and still dominate....the only thing that the F4U's have that the 16 lacks is ability to take punishment.(which IMO is the 16's one major weakness)

its one of the only planes I was able to kill 6 of 7 in a 7vs1.....it is the epitome of easy mode...someone who has no clue how to use ACM can just point his nose and follow someone around....quite easily


you certainly can not do that in the F4U's as a newer guy without loads of experience.....

[JunkyII]

this right here....

that "experiment" wont prove a single thing...


Im sorry junky but anyone who compares the F4us to the 16 and says they are the same.......well to be nice...that is straight up laughable.


the responsiveness of the 16 is so far above the F4U's they are not in the same ballpark....the 16 you can make mistake after mistake,pretty much where ever you point the nose it goes....it rolls insane..... climbs insane....doesn't need flaps to fight ...can slow down and regain speed at will.....can fight with a full tank of gas and still dominate....the only thing that the F4U's have that the 16 lacks is ability to take punishment.(which IMO is the 16's one major weakness)

its one of the only planes I was able to kill 6 of 7 in a 7vs1.....it is the epitome of easy mode...someone who has no clue how to use ACM can just point his nose and follow someone around....quite easily


you certainly can not do that in the F4U's as a newer guy without loads of experience.....

I didn't say a F4U was as good as a Spit16...actually I listed my list of what I thought was easy mode.

That experiment will give a good look at it, of course it won't be completely accurate but it can give a better estimate.

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I didn't say a F4U was as good as a Spit16...actually I listed my list of what I thought was easy mode.

That experiment will give a good look at it, of course it won't be completely accurate but it can give a better estimate.

didn't you lump it with the 16?(which would be saying they are both easy mode)

if you didn't then I apologize thought you did.

[JunkyII]

didn't you lump it with the 16?(which would be saying they are both easy mode)

if you didn't then I apologize thought you did.

yes I consider them both Easy mode, I do however have a few planes in front of the F4U as far as being easier....Spit 16/La7/P51

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yes I consider them both Easy mode, I do however have a few planes in front of the F4U as far as being easier....Spit 16/La7/P51

sorry but the F4Us just don't belong on that list.


A true test to see what is easier....take 30 new/non vets.... have 10 fights half in 16 half in F4U's.....after switch around and do the same number of fights with the people who were in the 16s in the F4Us'.


you are kidding yourself if you think the F4U has even a tiny chance of getting the majority of victories.

[JunkyII]

sorry but the F4Us just don't belong on that list.


A true test to see what is easier....take 30 new/non vets.... have 10 fights half in 16 half in F4U's.....after switch around and do the same number of fights with the people who were in the 16s in the F4Us'.


you are kidding yourself if you think the F4U has even a tiny chance of getting the majority of victories.

I NEVER SAID IT WOULD, I said it would be closer to a Spit 16 then say a Mossy

Your coming at me with this "your kidding yourself" and "just laughable" but you aren't reading anything I have posted.

[Skyyr]

I said it would be closer to a Spit 16 then say a Mossy

Agreed. F4U is easy, but not necessarily as easy as a Spit 16 or Ki-84.

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I NEVER SAID IT WOULD, I said it would be closer to a Spit 16 then say a Mossy

Your coming at me with this "your kidding yourself" and "just laughable" but you aren't reading anything I have posted.

dude you are the one that says it is "easy mode"......

 you lump it with the 16 as easy mode....so its easy mode...just not as easy mode as the 16.....



if it was as easy as you say it is....which you did say it is easy mode....it should have at least a chance against an easy mode ride...


wouldn't it


I just dont understand how you can say one thing then say that is not what you said...or I am reading it wrong....


its easy mode or it isn't.

[DmonSlyr]

After a beat down today flying the hog into a glorifing hoard of reds, I mistakinly didn't get enough alt, and got pwned by a Brewster and a yak. I had almost got the yak and he was able to extend away with a missing elevator. I was rather slow and couldn't get away from the brew. We tangoed a bit and the yak came back to help out. The fact that the yak out ran me twice to get away from me, and that I was not able to get a way from the brew, makes the F4U not an easy ride in the MA. I was not flying well today and it just goes to show you have to fly it properly in order to really be successful in it. Its not just a plane anyone can up and be good at it right away.

And just to note. I feel like I'm flying an Extra 300 when i'm in the spit16

[darkzking]

Hog is easy mode fly a p39