big game hunter owned

[mechanic]

Apparently dodging is a useful skill.

you would not be able to dodge an elephant, at all

[mbailey]

Rarely have I read such nonsense.

Well if you re-read what you posted prior to posting this sentence , it will be much less rare.  Educate yourself in the subject a bit and then get back to me.

[Maverick]

So much wrong with some of the replies in this thread. So much being vented based on emotional "impact, probably generated on the basis of watching "nature' films like bambi and dumbo. There are valid reasons for limited hunting of critters to include elephant. As already mentioned the meat does not go to waste.

Elephants, like all other wild animals have a limited range of area to live in. Population pressure, whether it be by over population of said critter, human encroachment or environmental swings has a detrimental impact on that population. Thinking it is far more humane (a man made egocentric term that has no basis in nature) to allow the critters to live or die by the vagaries of nature ignore the cruelty of nature itself. Then there is the other aspect of elephants, that they do live in close proximity to man and do sometimes go "rogue" raiding farm land or storage areas rather than forage in the wild where it's harder to find enough to eat. That same proximity can also endanger the humans that live and depend on those farms to survive.

Man, being a part of nature himself, can and often does take a hand in managing the population of critters rather than let them cycle out of control resulting in over population disease and starvation of same critters before nature whittles the numbers back, hopefully before they become extinct in the area. Man is more "humane" than nature is by any yardstick you want to use to measure it by.

Humans who do not understand nature and do not feel a part of it tend to think of it in emotional terms rather than logical ones and decry anyone trying to help maintain a healthy population of critters coexisting with the human critters in the area.

Poaching, on the other hand, like those that go into preserves to kill rhino and elephants soley for the horns and tusks either for "medicine" or commercial knick knacks are definitely not maintaining a healthy population of critters. They are working at cross purposes and only to enrich themselves for a dubious gain at best.

As for me, I do not feel separated from nature and understand in general terms how it works as a system. I understand that in order for one organism to survive and grow another must perish, be it vegetable or animal. I have harvested my own food and have also bought it pre-harvested in the store. In either case, other organisms died to ensure I and my family survived.

[mbailey]

Gibberish and you know it


Donate the money to  poor Africans to stop them selling endangered carcasses to millionaires.

The bloke who got trampled did it for his own gratification don't paint it any other way.

Emotional?, I could not give a rats butt cheek about elephants I will never have enough coin to visit these god forsaken countries to see one.

The Bull elephant getting blasted and with its dying breath taking him out is no ones fault but his own.

If one of you would say we do it because we have the coin I would understand it, don't come back with the conversation nonsense.

Cull the elephant's but don't make a business out of it.

How so? What in my statement is gibberish? The fact that a portion of the money for the permits goes to fund the game keepers, their equipment and to help conservation efforts for the animals? Not to mention private landowners opening their land to elephants and other game to be responsibley hunted and managed has resulted in a population increase in these African game animals?

The fact that a portion of the hunting equipment sales by law goes to conservation?

I can back up both statements with facts. 

The business is hunting yes, but portions of the monies are doing a lot of good to protect these animals, increase their habitat, protect them from poachers and increase their numbers.

[saggs]

Let's look at the pros and cons of African trophy hunting here.

Pros-
     -Financial benefit (from permits) to wildlife conservation efforts.
     -Financial benefit (from permits) to anti-poaching efforts.
     -Financial boost to local economy (hiring of local guides, cooks, buying gear, hotels, airlines etc..).
     -Meat goes to feed local tribal peoples.
     -Legal regulation ensures that the only animals taken are those which are not threatened as a species. (unlike poaching)
     -Regulation ensures that hunts happen in areas where it will not effect local populations of the species, or humans.
         (and can benefit humans, do you realize the damage that just a single Elephant can do to a small local farmers crops.)
     -Regulated hunting ensures the carrying capacity of localized ecosystems is not exceeded, avoiding cyclical population
        crashes
     
Cons-
     -Dumbo dies.
     -It puts a damper on the career of poachers.

Anyone who opposes legal, regulation African big game hunts, by association supports poaching and destroying a big part of local economies whether they realize it or not.

It would be amusing if it weren't so said.  Several times I've read these kind of mock outrage stories over legal big game/trophy hunts, sometimes with threats against the hunters themselves.  Yet I've never hear a peep of outrage from these same people over the poaching going on in Africa that actually is a legitimate threat to some species (Black Rhinos, Lowland and Mtn. Gorillas etc..)

Do these imbeciles not realize that by taking away legal, regulated hunting, and the financial proceeds that come from that, they are taking away the very tools that African game management agencies use to combat poachers and promote conservation?  Heck without those hunts, there would be no game management in Africa, and the poachers would have driven several species to extinction by now.

Here's a news flash people.  Homo Sapiens are part of this planet just like every other animal on it.  So how come it's somehow wrong for us to effect the food web and ecosystem just like every other species?  And unlike any other species on this rock, we CARE about other species enough to go to great efforts to ensure their survival and prosperity.

[FBKampfer]

Both sides are entrenched in their positions, and won't be shifted.

Do hunters help conservation efforts? Greatly. Are these particular hunters rich arse hats that don't really give a damn about elephants? Most probably.

You're both right, and still both idiots in spite of it.

Now quit applauding someone's death. All life is precious, and just because that man killed animals before doesn't make his life worth any less.

[zack1234]

No one applauded his death only the fact that this evil man was owned by an inocent animal.

He hunted for coin and blood lust.

[FX1]

If i remember correctly the elephant hunt cost him 50k plus.. It was a ten day hunt and they shot it on day 9. They stayed out in the bush for 5 days tracking a certain bull that the game wardens had classified as a nuisance animal. It was one of his last hunts and also a life long goal. It was awesome to be a part of it for a couple days and watch the guides work a trail for hours on end. Remember that just because you go hunting doesn't always end with a kill.

[zack1234]

My heart bleeds

[ink]

why don't you awesome hunters take a look at all the animals that WE humans have hunted into extinction.....


I don't give a crap who I am about to offend.....


I am glad he got trampled screw him....one less dick in the world....


if you so called trophy hunters were so fn concerned about the animals you kill..... you would help with money to fight poachers...
not be a "legal" poacher......because that is all you are.


emotional oh yes you are right....I get very pissed when people try to make excuses for their needless killing of magnificent animals...and would be very happy if I could do something about it.

makes me laugh at your moronic thought process....reminds me of Bush.....saying "all life is sacred and precious" and the next line..."we will KIll those 'terrorists'"

 ya lets Bomb that town to save it......kill everything to make it right...

no..... kill everything that doesn't fit in with you...or believe your ways....then make up some asinine excuses for the things we do.


reminds me of the guys who were killing pigeons in prison....they were not happy when I made them stop....I would have died for those birds.....they were not willing to die though.

people who think this trophy hunting is needed.......need to get your heads out of your arse.














 




 




I am done with this topic

[FBKampfer]

By ink, don't let the door hit you in the arse on the way out.

[Lusche]

I really would like to claim moral high ground in this thread, but I eat meat from  industrial livestock production 

[PR3D4TOR]

Lots of huntin' to be done.

http://www.odditycentral.com/news/female-war-veteran-is-now-fighting-to-protect-africas-wildlife-from-poachers.html

[PR3D4TOR]

I really would like to claim moral high ground in this thread, but I eat meat from  industrial livestock production 

Yes there better be a lot of vegans in this thread or my hypocrisy meter is going to explode...

1. Hunting for food is fine as long as the harvesting is sustainable.

2. Hunting (culling) for population control is fine.

3. Hunting for sport is fine as long as it serves point 1 or 2. Sell the meat/animal or give it to someone who needs it.

4. Hunting to extinction is fine... IF we need to get rid of that species for sound reasons (pest/vermin).

5. Hunting humans is fine if they need to be.

[quig]

My lands guys....

We can hunt African elephants in the USA at Walmart.