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Offline Scherf

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Re: Expensive touch and go
« Reply #15 on: April 24, 2015, 04:44:40 AM »
View from the cockpit as a (I assume now former) French Mirage pilot does the same thing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAuWOIsKUUE&list=FLUXMApkWwjwak_5s6jadN6Q&index=43

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Re: Expensive touch and go
« Reply #16 on: April 25, 2015, 10:47:12 PM »
     Before I left Morristown, we had a Beechjet Be-400 do the exact same thing.  The crew
 managed to get back airborne, come around and land it.  Here is where it all goes wrong.
They pulled this stunt before the tower opened at 7, so they attempted to hide the incident.

     Unfortunately for them, operations was doing a runway sweep before the tower opened
and noticed alot of debris on the runway.  They had scraped every antenna and vent tube off
the belly and created a lovely FOD hazard to the next poor slob trying to use the runway.

     When their company mechanic called the FAA asking for a ferry permit from NJ back to
Detroit, the FAA was very curious as to why a permit was necessary.  It turns out that not only
did the crew not tell anyone at the airport, they didn't file any paperwork with the feds either.

     Losing their jobs was the least of their troubles at that point.



    Just a file photo, not the actual bird.
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Re: Expensive touch and go
« Reply #17 on: April 25, 2015, 11:29:37 PM »
How's it goin' Phan?
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Re: Expensive touch and go
« Reply #18 on: April 26, 2015, 01:04:38 AM »
How's it goin' Phan?
:airplane: One of the things I was always curious about was a belly landing in the Avro Landcaster! with that high wing, wonder how those belly landings turned out. Must have been some during the war, but can't find a pic
anywhere. does anyone have any pic's of one of those landing wheels up?
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Re: Expensive touch and go
« Reply #19 on: April 26, 2015, 01:48:45 AM »
:airplane: One of the things I was always curious about was a belly landing in the Avro Landcaster! with that high wing, wonder how those belly landings turned out. Must have been some during the war, but can't find a pic
anywhere. does anyone have any pic's of one of those landing wheels up?

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Avro Lancaster B Mark I, ME590 ‘SR-C’, of No. 101 Squadron RAF, lies on the FIDO (Fog Investigation and Dispersal Operation) pipework at Ludford Magna, Lincolnshire, after a successful crash-landing on returning from a raid to Augsburg on the night of 25/26 February 1944. The aircraft was damaged by anti-aircraft fire, which disabled the hydraulic system and holed the starboard fuel tank, and was also attacked by a Messerschmitt Bf 110 night fighter which set it on fire and wrecked the elevators. In spite of the damage the pilot, Sergeant R Dixon, brought ME590 back to Ludford Magna for a belly landing, during which some incendiary bombs which had been hung up in the bomb bay, fell out and caught fire on the runway. The censor has eliminated the large aerial masts above the fuselage which indicated that the aircraft was carrying ‘Airborne Cigar’ (ABC), a jamming device which disrupted enemy radio telephone channels.
A short search, and this is what I found.
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Re: Expensive touch and go
« Reply #20 on: April 26, 2015, 07:27:29 AM »
saw this one a while back

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Re: Expensive touch and go
« Reply #21 on: April 26, 2015, 10:12:16 AM »
:airplane: One of the things I was always curious about was a belly landing in the Avro Landcaster! with that high wing, wonder how those belly landings turned out. Must have been some during the war, but can't find a pic
anywhere. does anyone have any pic's of one of those landing wheels up?

Fared better than the B-24.


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Re: Expensive touch and go
« Reply #22 on: April 26, 2015, 10:52:27 AM »
Oh man, that looks nasty! Hope the crew was alright.
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Re: Expensive touch and go
« Reply #23 on: April 26, 2015, 11:10:46 AM »
Except that the B-24 was a take off accident, not a belly landing.
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Re: Expensive touch and go
« Reply #24 on: April 26, 2015, 11:17:12 AM »
Oh man, that looks nasty! Hope the crew was alright.



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Duke Sumonia found the explanation for this picture in the December 1978 edition of WINGS magazine. This aircraft is B-24M-5-FO S/N 44-50468 belonging to 455th Bomb Group 740th Bomber Squadron, 15th Air Force. "Supposedly the result of inadvertent application of brakes during takeoff run, this wartime accident killed six crewmen almost instantly." Jim Holder added that this occurred at San Giovanni April 12, 1945. Pilot listed as James T. Harris. August 2009 - Andy Kemp contacted me by email reporting that his father, Tech Sgt Andy Kemp of 739 Squadron of 455th Bomb Group was on a crew with the man who took this photo. The photographer was not an official AAF photographer but would run out to take pictures of landing/takeoff accidents. This picture was taken about 5 min after the crash. Andy's father was shot down on his 3rd mission but he and his crew returned to fly 24 more missions.

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Re: Expensive touch and go
« Reply #25 on: April 26, 2015, 11:23:45 AM »
Ouch! RIP to the crew onboard, one little mishap and that happens... Very unfortunate.
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« Reply #26 on: April 26, 2015, 05:03:54 PM »
How's it goin' Phan?

    Holy moly, HIYA Toad!  Things going pretty good right now..just got informed last week
that I'm now on the active kidney transplant list  :aok 
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Re: Expensive touch and go
« Reply #27 on: April 26, 2015, 05:05:25 PM »
That IS GREAT NEWS!

(I'd give ya one of mine but then I wouldn't have any.)

Seems like forever ago at Carmine's, eh?
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Re: Expensive touch and go
« Reply #28 on: April 26, 2015, 05:14:46 PM »
    You know guys, I've seen 8-12 gearups over the past 20 years.  Ranging from light single engine
general aviation aircraft to small jets.  I was always amazed that landing gear up on pavement
virtually always worked out better than landing in grass.

     When they belly flopped on the pavement, they usually only lost some paint and maybe a
boarding ladder or antenna.  The ones on the grass would tend to crumple up a tad more due
to the softer surface. 

     Most of the incidents were pilot error, I do remember one poor slob in a Baron 55 that had
his gear motor freeze up after takeoff.  He had just topped off so had to spend 4 hours circling
the field until he was light enough to land reasonably safely.  The left gear was completely up
and the right main was frozen at about a 60 degree angle.  He made a straight in and
feathered the props on final.  He ended up "blending" the left prop a bit but saved both engines
from sudden stoppage.

     It turns out that the owner had lent this baron to a flight instructor knowing that the gear
motor circuit breaker had been tripping.  He never said anything to the instructor and in fact
gave him a hard time for not leaving the engines running so that insurance would pay for two
new motors.

     I'm amazed that instructor didn't flatten the owner for that, but he was the bigger man. 
<And possibly still needed the bird for his CFII..I forget>
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Re: Expensive touch and go
« Reply #29 on: April 30, 2015, 10:40:49 PM »
We've had a recent gear up in our squadron, leading to the new before landing checklist:

Defog off
Gear down
Engine instruments
Gear down
Gear down
Brakes
Gear down
Flaps Set
Gear down
Speed brake retracted
Gear down
Gear down
Negative lights
Gear down