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Re: BF-109e4 2x20mm Cannons
« Reply #30 on: April 28, 2015, 02:49:59 PM »
The MK108 is the best "Large" cannon in game. Yes its lacking in terms of Ballistics and Muzzle velocity, but it has one attribute that all the other big guns don't have and that's a high rate of fire. It is also light enough to be mounted on single engine fighters without seeing a significant drop in performance.

It is not the best gun in the game, I don't think it would make the top 3. It's simply to hard to aim for your average stick. Guys like Grizz Anarchy and the other expert tator chuckers the expectation not the rule.
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Re: BF-109e4 2x20mm Cannons
« Reply #31 on: April 28, 2015, 03:22:53 PM »
Their real skill lay in getting close enough in each fight that aiming was the least of their problems. Inside of 400 you lead from the side window on your wind screen with fighters. Bombers you lead by a half to a full fuselage length. In the MA the simplicity of that will elude you during the heat of the moment. Especially with the closing speeds of a 262. Try it in the drone circle offline.
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Re: BF-109e4 2x20mm Cannons
« Reply #32 on: April 29, 2015, 04:34:05 AM »
I'd say that MK103 is the best large cannon in the game. If you evaluate it with the same system Tony uses in his article it would fall behind MK108 due to its weight but the weight is not such an issue when it's mounted in a twin. In smaller fighter it becomes an issue. At least in game the MK103 is vastly superior weapon against bombers but on close quarters the better ROF of MK108 is again an advantage.

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Re: BF-109e4 2x20mm Cannons
« Reply #33 on: April 29, 2015, 08:42:46 AM »
But that is kind of Tony's point: The MK 103 weighs more than twice that of a MK 108 and has a lower rate of fire. So would you rather have two MK 103 delivering a total of 14 rounds per second or four MK 108 delivering 40 rounds per second?
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Re: BF-109e4 2x20mm Cannons
« Reply #34 on: April 29, 2015, 09:00:00 AM »
But that is kind of Tony's point: The MK 103 weighs more than twice that of a MK 108 and has a lower rate of fire. So would you rather have two MK 103 delivering a total of 14 rounds per second or four MK 108 delivering 40 rounds per second?


In AH, depending on the role and mount - yes, absolutely.

In 410 I can hover outside of a formation's effective defensive fire range and take down bomber with very accurate fire from the two Mk 103.
4 MK 108 have more firepower per second, but you have to go much closer.
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Re: BF-109e4 2x20mm Cannons
« Reply #35 on: April 29, 2015, 09:28:58 AM »
That's a very valid point.
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Re: BF-109e4 2x20mm Cannons
« Reply #36 on: April 29, 2015, 11:42:29 AM »

In AH, depending on the role and mount - yes, absolutely.

In 410 I can hover outside of a formation's effective defensive fire range and take down bomber with very accurate fire from the two Mk 103.
4 MK 108 have more firepower per second, but you have to go much closer.
+1 for that... 410 is the perfect example of fit-for-purpose weapon with the 103's. Where the Mk108's on a FW-190 would be best use in a B&Z on a bomber formation.
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Re: BF-109e4 2x20mm Cannons
« Reply #37 on: April 29, 2015, 02:39:55 PM »
the Mk108s light weight allows it to be mounted on single engine fighters such as the 152 and 109. This gives you the Speed and performance of a Fighter and the knockdown power of a "Zerstörer".
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Re: BF-109e4 2x20mm Cannons
« Reply #38 on: April 29, 2015, 03:04:55 PM »
Glz,

In our game, or are you projecting into real life?
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