Un-escorted bombers

[USCH]

No.

HiTech

that's awesome 

[Rich46yo]

Many of the great bomber hunters are gone, <poof>.  There are a few still left but not like it was.

Then again I cant remember the last time I was assigned a bomber by a box # and expected to skillfully stay in that box # while fighting off enemies and making it to target.

[Zimme83]

Last bomber mission i was up against was 8 sets of B-17. And even dough it was attacked by noobs like myself it was destroyed in a matter of minutes, a bunch of 110:s with rockets means a tough day for a bomber formation. They got around 15% of the city and none of them survived. A single formation had done the same damage.

[FBKampfer]

Though I don't usually go for bombers, I don't think I've been killed since adopting a proper attack profile.

1.5k above, slightly forward on the right hand side, about their 2 o'clock. Heel the fighter over, dive down, dive past, bomber down. Simple as clubbing bish.

[bozon]

AH and historical reality are very different. In AH the bomber death rates are much higher but a single bomber formation that gets through will destroy the target. In reality, 90% of the bombers got through only to spread hundreds of bombs all across the German country side, except on the intended target.

[Muzzy]

And I will take a TA152 over ANY Allied plane any day.

I have some serious problems with gunnery in the TA 152, but then again, killing bombers above 25k is not something I'm particularly good at. I tend to have better luck with hispanos or 50's because the ballistics are generally better. If I've got altitude on a set of buffs I have a very good chance of getting them all in almost any bird with 50's or hispanos.

[save]

I do not know if this still is true, but I remember Lusche filmed a set of B17 diving at 570mph in formation, he had a hard time following because he was compressed in his Me163 

[Zoney]

I have some serious problems with gunnery in the TA 152, but then again, killing bombers above 25k is not something I'm particularly good at. I tend to have better luck with hispanos or 50's because the ballistics are generally better. If I've got altitude on a set of buffs I have a very good chance of getting them all in almost any bird with 50's or hispanos.

If I find myself having trouble getting hits from time to time I fire earlier.  If that does not work, I fire even earlier.  Throw the 30's out in front of your target and let them fly into them.

[DREDIOCK]

AH and historical reality are very different. In AH the bomber death rates are much higher but a single bomber formation that gets through will destroy the target. In reality, 90% of the bombers got through only to spread hundreds of bombs all across the German country side, except on the intended target.

Well if Germany was the intended target. They didnt miss now did they?

[Volron]

Well if Germany was the intended target. They didnt miss now did they?

lol

[bozon]

Well if Germany was the intended target. They didnt miss now did they?

That reminds me a quote from one of the "Hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy" books. Quoting from memory stored 20 years ago:
"The art of flying is the ability to throw oneself at the ground - and miss".

[Zimme83]

AH and historical reality are very different. In AH the bomber death rates are much higher but a single bomber formation that gets through will destroy the target. In reality, 90% of the bombers got through only to spread hundreds of bombs all across the German country side, except on the intended target.

Have in mind that in WW2 only the formation leader used the bomb sight, the rest of the formation droped when the leader did. Doing the same thing in AH would result in a similar spreadout of the bombs. We also dont have to guess our altitude over target, ground speed, wind etc.

[ink]

Maybe you never penetrated as deeply as you thought. 

 

[bustr]

POTW in the past would up a mix of fighters to attack HQ\strat missions. P51D, P47M, Ta152, Dora, spit14. We didn't bother with attacks from the rear 180. We spent our time setting up for runs at the box's in the front 180 with primary emphasis on the pilot deck. The spit14 is a perfect pilot deck HOing machine above 22k in Hitech's world.

In AH you can take out a bomber box with a Yak9u at 22k by just HOing the pilot on each pass. The Yak9u gets frighteningly fast diving at that alt. And the 12.7 in the hood are enough for killing the pilot if you hold fire until 100yds. Then it is strictly about preparation and positioning like the Germans had to when taking on our bomber streams.

Lately POTW has been sending a 262 flight of up to 6 jets after bomber missions. And the front 180 rule is life or death due to how fragile the engines are to golden BBs. Especially with B24 and evading that nose turret by positioning high to about 10 or 2 o'clock. Better yet two of us, one at 2 and one at 10. High to the front attacks are the hardest for AH gunners to adjust to. But, they take the most time and patience to setup, pass after pass.

You can thank Waystin for the 262 packs. He loves finding bombers in his 262. And he won't share his food. So we are always looking for the big strat raids on the map. Pig logic dictates he cannot eat all of them alone with the small ammo load in a 262. So he is forced to share the meal. He is a true pig.