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Re: Best fighter Pilot
« Reply #60 on: May 11, 2015, 11:41:05 AM »
for a small battered second hand book I picked up off amazon for spare change it is one of my favourite reads in my collection.  Should go find it Ink I'm sure you will appreciate it.


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Re: Best fighter Pilot
« Reply #61 on: May 11, 2015, 12:01:12 PM »
I submit Robert S. Johnson and a few others from the 56th.  Lt Johnson arrived in the ETO in the spring of 43 and fought against a well-equipped and battle-tested Luftwaffe without any experience other than USAAC training.  He scored 28 air to air kills (later downgraded to 27) before transfer back to the states.  He was up against some of the best the LW had on the Channel
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Re: Best fighter Pilot
« Reply #62 on: May 11, 2015, 12:08:21 PM »
Hartmann was never shot down, but he had to ditch 14 times due to damage.

If it was damage he received in combat .... wouldn't that mean he was shot down?

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Re: Best fighter Pilot
« Reply #63 on: May 11, 2015, 12:10:43 PM »
As a JR, I'd be remiss in not adding .....


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Re: Best fighter Pilot
« Reply #64 on: May 11, 2015, 12:22:53 PM »
If it was damage he received in combat .... wouldn't that mean he was shot down?

no.... he was damaged from running into his victims carcass's.


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Re: Best fighter Pilot
« Reply #65 on: May 11, 2015, 12:47:55 PM »
Buzz Beurling is up there IMO.  Maybe not the highest overall kills, but for the time he did fly and the theaters he was in, he racked up quite a score on the Allied side in short order.  He was also considered one of the most aggressive and crazy fighter pilots of the war, added to having the reputation of being one of if not THE best shot in the sky on the Allies side.

He claimed a kill, and stated he fired exactly 5 20mm rounds into an Italian fighter, and the troops who found it found 5 holes in the cockpit.  He also made several long range 800m deflection shots witnessed by others - he was known for his deflection shooting, as he worked on it tirelessly on the ground and in the air, and when his CO asked him to explain it and train him once, that CO the next flight after a few days instruction shot down 2 and got a damage as well, the very next flight.

27 Kills in Malta in 14 days, while sick with disease and down to 120lbs or less...He also shot down some of JG2's best 190 pilots in Europe in fights there for a total score of 32.  His aggressive style got him shot down 4 times as well.

So, overall not a flashy high number, but as a ratio for "kills per time", he has to be one of the top few in the war for certain.  He was a real nut too, his exploits on the ground are something hilarious to read about, but he was a dedicated student of primarily shooting accuracy, with flying ACM and tactics a close second, and studied them constantly to improve. 

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Re: Best fighter Pilot
« Reply #66 on: May 11, 2015, 01:01:05 PM »
maybe not the best...but one who needs notice

Robert Lee Scott, Jr.

a "one man air force" flying by himself as cover and on ground attack missions...

a Bounty was placed on his head by the enemy  :rock

22 victories.

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Re: Best fighter Pilot
« Reply #67 on: May 11, 2015, 04:28:00 PM »
maybe not the best...but one who needs notice

Robert Lee Scott, Jr.

a "one man air force" flying by himself as cover and on ground attack missions...

a Bounty was placed on his head by the enemy  :rock

22 victories.

I skinned his P40 in Honor of him.

I love that skin :D
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Re: Best fighter Pilot
« Reply #68 on: May 11, 2015, 07:09:06 PM »
Surprised that David McCampbell hasn't been mentioned.  At the least, he was probably the United States best fighter pilot, the only US pilot to make "ace in a day" twice.

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Re: Best fighter Pilot
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Re: Best fighter Pilot
« Reply #70 on: May 12, 2015, 06:00:28 AM »
I think the WW1 boys should be considered as well

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Re: Best fighter Pilot
« Reply #71 on: May 12, 2015, 06:37:04 AM »
Rickenbacker should be considered if that is the case


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Re: Best fighter Pilot
« Reply #72 on: May 12, 2015, 07:08:36 AM »
Rickenbacker should be considered if that is the case


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Re: Best fighter Pilot
« Reply #73 on: May 12, 2015, 09:25:23 AM »
I think the WW1 boys should be considered as well

Boelcke
Richthofen
Udet
Voss


Bishop
Ball
Georges Guynemer
Rene Fonck
Rickenbacker

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Korean War Aces anyone? 

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Re: Best fighter Pilot
« Reply #74 on: May 12, 2015, 10:17:50 AM »
 Calling out one pilot, of all who fought is difficult, if not impossible. Every combat situation is different. War is a learning curve for all the belligerents involved. In 1939 England was still using the Vic formation. Their lessons were definitely paid with blood. The US was still building and Army Air corps and their tactics were all theory until they arrived in the middle of 1942. They also paid a high price for their lessons. The Luftwaffe was a very experienced foe and had developed a lot of their tactics in the Spanish Civil War. These tactics are still used today by most air forces.

  But anyway, Eric Hartmann's feat has to be near the top of the list considering he didn't even start until 1943! But you can argue that he had a target rich environment. My thought is that anyone who achieved ace status was a very competent skilled pilot. A pilot from WW1 had a whole different game to play, they were just as likely to die from an accident as from an enemy. They had to adapt their own rules of survival.