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Re: Windows 7 vs. Windows 8.1...opinions?
« Reply #30 on: May 14, 2015, 01:00:54 AM »

this "no catch" things reminds me of when my gf/now exwife said, I want to have a baby and you dont have to worry about it.  It was a lie.


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Re: Windows 7 vs. Windows 8.1...opinions?
« Reply #31 on: May 31, 2015, 08:36:29 AM »
My Wife was the opposite.  She gave it six weeks, but then brought the laptop to me and told me she did not want it back if she had to keep using Windows 8.1.  Her question to me, "Why would anyone design an operating system to get in the way of running applications?".

She got tired of constantly having to Google for help on how to do things.  It was not a matter of learning how to use it, it was that it required so much more effort to do anything than before that got her going.

Her other favorite rant, "If I wanted to use a mobile phone to run my apps, I would use the damn mobile phone!".  This in reference to how you have to drag the cursor off screen to get to menus.

I have to concur with her.  Windows 8.1 seems more mobile phone oriented than desktop oriented, but even then it fails.  It just seems to be an operating system looking for an identity and cannot find one.

She also got irritated about having to buy other utilities (a decent media player) which are already bundled in Windows 7.  Seems Microsoft took the opportunity to rid itself of anything it had to pay license fees for, while also raising the price of the operating system.  Good for the bottom line, not so good for the end use.

I just updated my gaming machine and went to 8.1, I didn't do the upgrade from 7 but did a new install of the 64bit version of 8.1.  No really major issues and reinstalling only the software I actually wanted and use has cleaned up a lot of junk.   My understanding is that Windows 8 which was presented for the touch screen people  was replaced with 8.1 which supports either the touch screen or the traditional screen mouse user like me.   It's no better or worse then any OS I've ever had to use.   I did load the traditional start screen shell.

Over all I like it and am glade I did the fresh install.  For heavy gamer's there are some issues with memory leakage, Steam appears to have the most issues.  A fix has been announced and will be distributed by Microsoft in August 2015.  I do plan to upgrade to 10 as soon as it is released, perhaps a new gaming machine as well or just refresh the one I have, add a third graphics card.
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Re: Windows 7 vs. Windows 8.1...opinions?
« Reply #32 on: May 31, 2015, 10:59:21 PM »
I've been using Win 8.1 on the laptop I bought last year and it's really not bad at all once you get used to it (and I'm not running Classic Shell).

First you have to tell it to launch to desktop rather than Metro (app) mode.  Now you're launching to a normal Windows desktop like you've come to know over all these years but the start menu's gone!  No worries, right click the "window" where the start menu used to be and there's a host of options.  The problem here is programs and recent documents aren't there.  To access programs you have to left click the window and a screen with program icons (which you can organize) opens in a metro style format with a scroll bar at the bottom.  I liked the old folders and subfolders but it's only a minor issue.  For documents I dropped Windows Explorer into my tsk bar.  Left clicking opens My Computer while right clicking lets me select options including my documents.

Basics out of the way and feeling much like every other version of Windows you'll find apps are useless.  Delete the apps and replace them with the real program.  Delete the Adobe app for instance and go to the Adobe website and download the program.  Instead of the app taking over your display you'll gain functionality and be able to window it just as you're used to.  For every pre-installed app there's probably a real program you can replace it with.  I've found all the ones I wanted.

Once you get it tweaked out Win 8.1 is really just like every other Windows OS.  I rarely use the ""sweep left" or "click this corner" stuff because I don't have to but it's there if I want to do it that way,  So is the "Metro" desktop (two clicks to access, one click to return).

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Re: Windows 7 vs. Windows 8.1...opinions?
« Reply #33 on: June 01, 2015, 07:25:07 AM »
I finally got Windows 7 running on her laptop, even though ASUS has no support for it.  She is a happy camper again, and so am I, now that I am not having to spend most of my free time providing support for her and/or listening to the complaints.

You guys do realize you sound like, "Hey, you just need to get used to drinking the horse piss.  Once you do it is fine." 

Seems like the "Windows 8.1 is fine as long as you do...." list keeps getting longer all the time.  Just an observation.
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Re: Windows 7 vs. Windows 8.1...opinions?
« Reply #34 on: June 01, 2015, 07:45:24 AM »
The UN was founded to protect people from things like Windows 8.
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Re: Windows 7 vs. Windows 8.1...opinions?
« Reply #35 on: June 01, 2015, 07:45:35 AM »
I finally got Windows 7 running on her laptop, even though ASUS has no support for it.  She is a happy camper again, and so am I, now that I am not having to spend most of my free time providing support for her and/or listening to the complaints.

You guys do realize you sound like, "Hey, you just need to get used to drinking the horse piss.  Once you do it is fine." 

Seems like the "Windows 8.1 is fine as long as you do...." list keeps getting longer all the time.  Just an observation.

Same could be said for Aces High, think about it.   you can make lots of changes to 8.1 or it does work fine right out of the box.    It's not better or worse , it's just different.  8.1 is oriented towards the traditional desktop mouse user.  I found doing a install rather than an upgrade the way to go for me.  I'm glad I did and am looking forward to 10.
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Re: Windows 7 vs. Windows 8.1...opinions?
« Reply #36 on: June 01, 2015, 08:03:24 AM »
Same could be said for Aces High, think about it.   you can make lots of changes to 8.1 or it does work fine right out of the box.    It's not better or worse , it's just different.  8.1 is oriented towards the traditional desktop mouse user.  I found doing a install rather than an upgrade the way to go for me.  I'm glad I did and am looking forward to 10.

Not sure I get your comparison to Aces High.

Never said Windows 8.1 did not work.  I think I said it is clumsy to work with.  Out of the box it requires more mouse clicks to do anything, than Windows 7 does.  It also requires you to install third party programs to do things Windows 7 does out of the box.

Sure, anyone can get use it.  The lingering question is why?  Why make it more difficult to use?  Why strip it of functionality?  It just does not seem to move things forward. 

Now that Windows 10 is out, Microsoft has dropped the price of Windows 8.1 to the same as Windows 7.  Still makes Windows 7 a better deal.

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« Reply #37 on: June 01, 2015, 08:48:42 AM »
Not sure I get your comparison to Aces High.

Never said Windows 8.1 did not work.  I think I said it is clumsy to work with.  Out of the box it requires more mouse clicks to do anything, than Windows 7 does.  It also requires you to install third party programs to do things Windows 7 does out of the box.

Sure, anyone can get use it.  The lingering question is why?  Why make it more difficult to use?  Why strip it of functionality?  It just does not seem to move things forward. 

Now that Windows 10 is out, Microsoft has dropped the price of Windows 8.1 to the same as Windows 7.  Still makes Windows 7 a better deal.

I was referring to this :
You guys do realize you sound like, "Hey, you just need to get used to drinking the horse piss.  Once you do it is fine." 
 

Aces High plays a certain way and with all the many wish list posts over the years, still pretty much plays as it did when it first came out, every player in Aces High had to learn to drink the horse piss, as you so eloquently stated.

It may be that as a tool, the things I do with a computer, windows 7 was over kill as I may not have found it necessary to use all of the tools 7 provided, there fore if I never used it, I didn't miss it if it wasn't included in 8.1.  I'm sure it's not up to your requirements.   I'm just saying for a lot of people 8.1 works just fine out of the box and it's designed for the way I work and provides and supports everything that I do.  That doesn't make either 7 or 8.1 better or worse, they are just different.
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Re: Windows 7 vs. Windows 8.1...opinions?
« Reply #38 on: June 01, 2015, 09:32:53 AM »
I was referring to this :
Aces High plays a certain way and with all the many wish list posts over the years, still pretty much plays as it did when it first came out, every player in Aces High had to learn to drink the horse piss, as you so eloquently stated.

Uhmm,..the basic premise of Aces High is that it can be played any way you want to play it, which still stands.  Where your comparison fails is the way Aces High plays is a known quantity and has been so, since it shipped.  From Windows 7 to Windows 8.1 a great deal changed and for most it was not a good change.

You can also stop playing Aces High any time you like.  There are other games.

When it comes to getting a job done, there is little option for operating systems.  You are stuck with Windows.  Some times you do not have a choice as to the version you would like to run.

It may be that as a tool, the things I do with a computer, windows 7 was over kill as I may not have found it necessary to use all of the tools 7 provided, there fore if I never used it, I didn't miss it if it wasn't included in 8.1.  I'm sure it's not up to your requirements.   I'm just saying for a lot of people 8.1 works just fine out of the box and it's designed for the way I work and provides and supports everything that I do.  That doesn't make either 7 or 8.1 better or worse, they are just different.

Actually, I have never had to use Windows 8.1, except at work.  The basis for my statements has been from listening to my Wife and helping her with it.  She is a great designer, but her computer skills are pretty basic.  She just wants to run her applications without all the added inputs required from Windows 8.1.

Personally, I think Windows 8.1 is a poor design, for a desktop operating system, as it ships.  That does not mean it cannot be "gotten used to".
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Re: Windows 7 vs. Windows 8.1...opinions?
« Reply #39 on: June 01, 2015, 12:33:25 PM »
Uhmm,..the basic premise of Aces High is that it can be played any way you want to play it, which still stands
Skuzzy, that’s in theory only, the AVA , LW, MW and EW all play as they are set up and anyone entering them must play by the rules established for that arena.    I have no idea how many one off arena are created and used, perhaps thousands, perhaps just a handful, but I think the majority of the playing public is drinking the piss and playing in the LW according to the rules established there.   They have no way to alter those rules.
Personally, I think Windows 8.1 is a poor design, for a desktop operating system, as it ships.  That does not mean it cannot be "gotten used to".
It may be, but from where I sit in the cheap seats it works for me as is and I think I use the tools of my machine much like your spouse uses her machine.  I use outlook, word and excel, powerpoint  and viseo.  All OTC software packages that I use to support my business.  I make one click on the icon on the desktop and I’m there.  Not sure what all the clicking your talking about is for.  The only OS environments I support are all mainframe, big iron ZOS IBM  assembler systems .
.  Where your comparison fails is the way Aces High plays is a known quantity and has been so, since it shipped.  From Windows 7 to Windows 8.1 a great deal changed and for most it was not a good change.
Like I said, not much has changed in the game since it was first published, it still basically plays the same, players had to, as you say “drink the piss”   and like I said, your statement of “can be played any way you want to play it” , is in theory only.

You can also stop playing Aces High any time you like.  There are other games.
When it comes to getting a job done, there is little option for operating systems.  You are stuck with Windows.  Some times you do not have a choice as to the version you would like to run.

Did Apple go out of business?   go out to google and do a search for PC operating systems, There are others, they are just not preinstalled on every machine sold.
Actually, I have never had to use Windows 8.1, except at work.  The basis for my statements has been from listening to my Wife and helping her with it.  She is a great designer, but her computer skills are pretty basic.  She just wants to run her applications without all the added inputs required from Windows 8.1.
Like I said,  I run all the software I need off my desktop and they don’t or didn’t require any additional inputs.  I link into mainframes and run and receive reports,   I develop software offline and run it on the mainframe.  With no issues. 
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Re: Windows 7 vs. Windows 8.1...opinions?
« Reply #40 on: June 01, 2015, 03:01:39 PM »
Just click on the new windows 10 download "reservation" icon on your status bar and it'll all be good :)
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Re: Windows 7 vs. Windows 8.1...opinions?
« Reply #41 on: June 02, 2015, 07:35:38 PM »
Ever since I purchased a new ASUS computer with Win8 it has been nothing but problems.  I upgraded to Win8.1.  It did not improve.

Every time I wish to use my CH Hotas in Aces High I have to remove all three controllers in control panel.

I then have to reboot the system and my CH Hotas works.  I guess Win8 only sees USB3 and not USB2.

I have no other explanation.  It reminds me of Vista and windows millennium.  It is horrible for a desktop operating system.
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Re: Windows 7 vs. Windows 8.1...opinions?
« Reply #42 on: June 02, 2015, 08:02:45 PM »
I used to have windows ME, it lasted 10 minutes before I reformatted the HDD and put Win98 back on it
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Re: Windows 7 vs. Windows 8.1...opinions?
« Reply #43 on: June 02, 2015, 09:42:22 PM »
Ever since I purchased a new ASUS computer with Win8 it has been nothing but problems.  I upgraded to Win8.1.  It did not improve.

Every time I wish to use my CH Hotas in Aces High I have to remove all three controllers in control panel.

I then have to reboot the system and my CH Hotas works.  I guess Win8 only sees USB3 and not USB2.

I have no other explanation.  It reminds me of Vista and windows millennium.  It is horrible for a desktop operating system.

More like CH has a horrible record in updating their drivers. It's their fault not Win8:s.
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Re: Windows 7 vs. Windows 8.1...opinions?
« Reply #44 on: June 03, 2015, 08:49:23 AM »
Just got offered a free upgrade from Win 7 to Win 10... I guess MS wants everybody over to their new OS as quickly as possible.
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