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Offline earl1937

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Asleep At the wheel?
« on: May 13, 2015, 03:44:24 PM »
 :airplane: Again, we have people killed by an un-necessary train accident! Feds claim train was traveling at more than a 100 MPH, trying to go around a curve with a 50 MPH speed limit!
Sounds like someone might have been asleep at the "wheel"!
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Re: Asleep At the wheel?
« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2015, 05:28:25 PM »
Maybe texting?
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Re: Asleep At the wheel?
« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2015, 06:12:19 PM »
This happened in the back yard of a coworker of mine in the Port Richmond section of Philadelphia, I called him this morning because I inew he lived in the neighborhood, but didn't know he was that close...he and a bunch of neighbors helped getting the walking wounded out of the train before the emergency services showed up. They then went and got water for the first responders and passengers....his neighbors wife actually gave a woman a pair of shoes that she lost in the wreck (david Muir on World News actually mentioned it and interviewed the lady)  He said he's never seen anything like it, but the rescuers were amazing.  Big Kudos to the Philly Fd and PD.....they did an excellent job last night     :aok :salute

Doubtful he was asleep at the wheel.....the train had just pulled out of 30th at station not long before the wreck

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Re: Asleep At the wheel?
« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2015, 06:13:59 PM »
There is technology available on the market to prevent this but Amtrak is operated by the Government and we all know how well the Government operates businesses....
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Re: Asleep At the wheel?
« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2015, 06:28:40 PM »
Quote from: mbailey on May 13, 2015, 06:12:19 PM
Doubtful he was asleep at the wheel.....the train had just pulled out of 30th at station not long before the wreck

You will be surprised how quickly it can happen.  Literally, a blink and you are out.
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Re: Asleep At the wheel?
« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2015, 06:33:26 PM »
Quote from: Ripsnort on May 13, 2015, 06:13:59 PM
There is technology available on the market to prevent this but Amtrak is operated by the Government and we all know how well the Government operates businesses....

amtrak already uses that technology just not on that place.


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Re: Asleep At the wheel?
« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2015, 06:40:35 PM »
Quote from: Volron on May 13, 2015, 06:28:40 PM
You will be surprised how quickly it can happen.  Literally, a blink and you are out.

Still it's not likely given the distance from 30th st station to where the derailment occurred. I know the area like the back of my hand and the distance isn't that great, and thru a very active part of the city. You could be right tho....time will tell   All the more reasons for these trains to have the PTC system installed or at the least a second engineer in the engine.

Here nor there....the NTSB will figure it out. Sadly this is the second disaster at Frankford Junction Curve......in 1943 79 people were killed same curve, mechanical failure was the cause of that one
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Re: Asleep At the wheel?
« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2015, 07:02:33 PM »
Quote from: mbailey on May 13, 2015, 06:40:35 PM
Still it's not likely given the distance from 30th st station to where the derailment occurred. I know the area like the back of my hand and the distance isn't that great, and thru a very active part of the city. You could be right tho....time will tell   All the more reasons for these trains to have the PTC system installed or at the least a second engineer in the engine.

Here nor there....the NTSB will figure it out. Sadly this is the second disaster at Frankford Junction Curve......in 1943 79 people were killed same curve, mechanical failure was the cause of that one

I'm a little curious about the distance, and if that train is capable of accelerating from the station at full power to the speed it was at at the time of the derailment. :headscratch:
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Re: Asleep At the wheel?
« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2015, 07:12:54 PM »
I doubt he was asleep, they were saying that he hit the emergency break right before the turn. My guess is that he was severely distracted or poorly trained. Either way I suspect that he and several others will be facing criminal charges.
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Re: Asleep At the wheel?
« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2015, 07:20:55 PM »
Quote from: Volron on May 13, 2015, 07:02:33 PM
I'm a little curious about the distance, and if that train is capable of accelerating from the station at full power to the speed it was at at the time of the derailment. :headscratch:
About 5 miles
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Re: Asleep At the wheel?
« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2015, 08:19:21 PM »
<sigh> Once again, wouldn't it be a bit smarter to wait for the team which is given the task to investigate the accident to publish its findings before speculating?

I know it is impossible in the day and age of the Internet 'cause there will always be those who will run wild with the speculation. I just wish people stop for a fraction of a second to think of those involved in the accident, like the train operator and his/her loved ones, before entertaining themselves by compulsively having to share their "new bestest theory" in the intardnet. It might be someone close to you when it happens next time.
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Re: Asleep At the wheel?
« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2015, 08:28:27 PM »
It's just a discussion, if it bothers you don't join it.
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Re: Asleep At the wheel?
« Reply #12 on: May 13, 2015, 09:14:19 PM »
Quote from: mbailey on May 13, 2015, 08:28:27 PM
It's just a discussion, if it bothers you don't join it.

How would you feel if something similar (lets imagine that you are a truck driver and were involved in an accident where people got killed) happened to you or to your relatives and some "casual commenter" in the Internet would think "well it most certainly must be that idiot truck driver's fault" without really knowing any facts about the incident at all?

How would you feel, huh?


Internet hasn't been the same as two people talking privately with each other for a while now.

Yep, I know World and Internet is full of thoughtless morons (not necessarily referring to this thread in particular with the former comment as this isn't exactly the worse I've seen). And regardless if it bothers me or not I can say my thoughts on the matter just as anyone else on this BBS.

As for you mbailey, you didn't get it the last time and I have zero expectations of you getting it this time either.
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Re: Asleep At the wheel?
« Reply #13 on: May 14, 2015, 04:10:58 AM »
Quote from: Wmaker on May 13, 2015, 08:19:21 PM
<sigh> Once again, wouldn't it be a bit smarter to wait for the team which is given the task to investigate the accident to publish its findings before speculating?

Pains me too.
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Re: Asleep At the wheel?
« Reply #14 on: May 14, 2015, 04:44:29 AM »
Quote from: Wmaker on May 13, 2015, 08:19:21 PM
<sigh> Once again, wouldn't it be a bit smarter to wait for the team which is given the task to investigate the accident to publish its findings before speculating?

I know it is impossible in the day and age of the Internet 'cause there will always be those who will run wild with the speculation. I just wish people stop for a fraction of a second to think of those involved in the accident, like the train operator and his/her loved ones, before entertaining themselves by compulsively having to share their "new bestest theory" in the intardnet. It might be someone close to you when it happens next time.

What else are we going to talk about, the price of tea in China?  Get out of here.

Are the speed gauge in Amtrak trains analog or digital?  Any alarm systems for speed?
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