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Offline PR3D4TOR

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Re: Yak9U vs Yak3
« Reply #15 on: May 14, 2015, 04:54:12 PM »
No, usage isn't factored in to determine ENY or perks.

Please back this up with something.


A perked ride will never be a good perk farmer, as ENY does not determine the number of perks received at the end of your mission. 

HiTech disagrees with you:


ENY stands for enemy value.

If a 262 has an ENY value of 5 and is killed by a plane with an ENY value of 30 then the killer would be awarded 30/5 I.E. 6 points. if the 262 killed the other plane he would be awarded 5/30 I.E. 0.166 points.

Now there is a bonus multiplier based on the current balance of countries. This modifies the perk points simply by multiplying the above outcome times the bonus.

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Re: Yak9U vs Yak3
« Reply #16 on: May 14, 2015, 05:07:03 PM »
Now, I think changing the ENY system to a purely proportional system would do two things.  First, it would lead to a greater number of perk planes flying around. (snip)

Second, I think it would lead to an increased number of 'under-utilized" planes being flown.  Depending on how much someone wants to fly some perk plane, they might go with a middle of the road plane like the La-5 or the 109G-2, or a completely ununsed plane like the C202 or P-40.  Either way, diversity in the MA will increase on that end. 


Urchin: And exactly how do you fit the perk planes ENY value into this skeam? Btw it basicly how we set the values already, and they are NOT random.

Another thing your system does not take into account is plane popularity based soly on a historical basis. i.e. just because a plane has more kills and is flown more, dosn't make it the better plane.

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Re: Yak9U vs Yak3
« Reply #17 on: May 14, 2015, 05:13:06 PM »
No, usage isn't factored in to determine ENY or perks.

A perked ride will never be a good perk farmer, as ENY does not determine the number of perks received at the end of your mission.
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Re: Yak9U vs Yak3
« Reply #18 on: May 14, 2015, 06:29:30 PM »
It seems as though that this was the incorrect place to ask the original question.


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Re: Yak9U vs Yak3
« Reply #19 on: May 15, 2015, 07:56:43 AM »
Since it was really a question of game mechanics the general section would probably be better.
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Re: Yak9U vs Yak3
« Reply #20 on: May 15, 2015, 10:56:54 AM »
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The Yak3 is a slightly better turn rate

Nope.

Yak3 = 666
Yak9-u = 643

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Re: Yak9U vs Yak3
« Reply #21 on: May 15, 2015, 05:51:08 PM »
So does the Yak3 not turn inside of the Yak9u? But, then one would have to look at that by speed or even flaps deployment I guess.
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Re: Yak9U vs Yak3
« Reply #22 on: May 15, 2015, 06:36:28 PM »
i'm going to have to try this yaku you speak of. The -3 feels like a magic plane without much ammo. I assumed it was better since it is easy to fly and goes up like a rocket. This is all first impressions from me from the mediocre cohort. Maybe its just easier to stay alive or get kills in. Your saying in skilled hands the-3 is less capable so maybe its that in unskilled hands the -3 is more capable?
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Re: Yak9U vs Yak3
« Reply #23 on: May 15, 2015, 06:59:23 PM »
i'm going to have to try this yaku you speak of. The -3 feels like a magic plane without much ammo. I assumed it was better since it is easy to fly and goes up like a rocket. This is all first impressions from me from the mediocre cohort. Maybe its just easier to stay alive or get kills in. Your saying in skilled hands the-3 is less capable so maybe its that in unskilled hands the -3 is more capable?
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Re: Yak9U vs Yak3
« Reply #24 on: May 15, 2015, 07:17:53 PM »

I completely understand the idea of ENY but believe it was an HTC response to complaints from multiple subscribers that fell victim to a HO attack.


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In that case the ME-410 with Mk103's should be the highest perked bird  :D

C-hog had a very  high K/d ratio and no-one  flew any other F4u type, much like if they put 4*Hispano and 4*.50 on a A20, or a 3-gun La-7  :cool:

To ack-ack : The A8 ENY was lowered from 25 to 20 according to Karnak because of it's higher usage, even though the A5 normally have a higher k/d ratio.

The Me-410 is an example how a single player can completely change the usage of a model and its K/D (Torquila april 2015 tour)

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Re: Yak9U vs Yak3
« Reply #25 on: May 16, 2015, 12:01:44 AM »
The Yak-9U is quite capable. While the -9T is a paragon of average, the greater engine power of the -9U makes it a real killer when in the hands of a capable pilot.

One thing the Yak-3 did for the game (besides flooding the game with aircraft powered by magic instead of avgas) is that it took a lot of the mediocre and average sticks from the -9. Now if I see one, I know I'm in for a fight.
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Re: Yak9U vs Yak3
« Reply #26 on: May 16, 2015, 02:39:44 AM »
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(besides flooding the game with aircraft powered by magic instead of avgas)

You have some data of course. Tell us what specifically it does that it should not.

...past you not liking it.

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Re: Yak9U vs Yak3
« Reply #27 on: May 16, 2015, 08:39:45 AM »
There should be a natural perk point cost on the Yak-3 since pressed unicorn juice is a very difficult fuel to come by.  :P
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Re: Yak9U vs Yak3
« Reply #28 on: May 16, 2015, 09:49:10 AM »
There should be a natural perk point cost on the Yak-3 since pressed unicorn juice is a very difficult fuel to come by.  :P
There should be a smurf and unicorn juice factory included in the start system. If you bomb it to 0% yak3 are disabled.

You have some data of course. Tell us what specifically it does that it should not.

...past you not liking it.

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Re: Yak9U vs Yak3
« Reply #29 on: May 16, 2015, 10:51:56 AM »
My understanding is that it is not usage per se so much as effect on the arena.  Usage usually tracks that pretty closely, but there can be exceptions.

Also keep in mind that it is not the only factor.  The unit's capability is a factor as well.  No matter how many people choose to fly C.202s and Spitfire Mk Is they will never have the ENY of the P-51D or Spitfire Mk XVI.
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