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Offline Mike Williams

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Re: german AA rocket damage to a halifax
« Reply #15 on: May 21, 2015, 05:58:42 AM »
Nice posts Scherf.

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Re: german AA rocket damage to a halifax
« Reply #16 on: May 21, 2015, 07:25:05 AM »
No worries Mike.

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Should make clear though, those % loss rates I quoted are by month.
« Last Edit: May 21, 2015, 07:53:33 AM by Scherf »
... missions were to be met by the commitment of alerted swarms of fighters, composed of Me 109's and Fw 190's, that were strategically based to protect industrial installations. The inferior capabilities of these fighters against the Mosquitoes made this a hopeless and uneconomical effort. 1.JD KTB

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Re: german AA rocket damage to a halifax
« Reply #17 on: May 21, 2015, 11:11:16 AM »
It made it back because the rocket didnt hit the plane, which would have most likely cut the plane in two if it had...

Or make them less deadly. Unless the photo is from a camera recovered from the crash site, this plane
made it back.

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Re: german AA rocket damage to a halifax
« Reply #18 on: May 21, 2015, 04:11:11 PM »
*sigh*

It wasn't a rocket.
... missions were to be met by the commitment of alerted swarms of fighters, composed of Me 109's and Fw 190's, that were strategically based to protect industrial installations. The inferior capabilities of these fighters against the Mosquitoes made this a hopeless and uneconomical effort. 1.JD KTB

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Re: german AA rocket damage to a halifax
« Reply #19 on: May 21, 2015, 07:11:27 PM »
They work fine.


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Re: german AA rocket damage to a halifax
« Reply #20 on: May 21, 2015, 07:25:41 PM »
They work fine.

(Image removed from quote.)

Love that screenshot!

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Re: german AA rocket damage to a halifax
« Reply #21 on: May 23, 2015, 03:30:34 AM »
German night fighters carried rockets only during daylight interceptions, never at night. If the Halifax took part in a night raid that rules out the chance of a rocket, completely. And Ju88s never carried rockets in any form.

AA? Anti Aircraft, Air to Air? It's just a misuse of a term and creates confusion as there were no Anti Aircraft rockets used by German Anti Aircraft batteries.

Ammo cook-off itself is not particularly dangerous if the boxes do not happen to be in a confined space (such as fighter's wing) and the smaller the rounds, e.g. .303 the less dangerous they are. If a round cooks off there will not be "bullets whizzing about" since the casing tends to rip into pieces and the bullet as the single heaviest piece flies the less distance. But surely it would have been a spectacular fireworks display in the darkness.

All in all such damage could have caused even by a single 7.9 round in a right place but judging by the picture in Scherf's second link I'd say the weapon was most likely a 20mm in schräge musik configuration. The attacking aircraft could have been any German NF aircraft.

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Re: german AA rocket damage to a halifax
« Reply #22 on: May 26, 2015, 03:20:27 AM »
You are supposing a night raid...

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Re: german AA rocket damage to a halifax
« Reply #23 on: May 26, 2015, 04:05:10 AM »
What was it ?  :headscratch:

*sigh*

It wasn't a rocket.

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Re: german AA rocket damage to a halifax
« Reply #24 on: May 26, 2015, 05:24:39 AM »
Cannon fire from a night fighter which caused a fire / explosion in two ammo boxes stored at the rear. The damage is from the Halifax's own ammo cooking off. No rockets involved.
... missions were to be met by the commitment of alerted swarms of fighters, composed of Me 109's and Fw 190's, that were strategically based to protect industrial installations. The inferior capabilities of these fighters against the Mosquitoes made this a hopeless and uneconomical effort. 1.JD KTB

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Re: german AA rocket damage to a halifax
« Reply #25 on: May 26, 2015, 08:52:12 AM »
Cannon fire from a night fighter which caused a fire / explosion in two ammo boxes stored at the rear. The damage is from the Halifax's own ammo cooking off. No rockets involved.

and all made it back alive with no injuries...at least that's what the after-action report said... :rolleyes:
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Re: german AA rocket damage to a halifax
« Reply #26 on: May 26, 2015, 09:03:08 AM »
Ok, too bad the OP didnt check his story before posting pic... :O

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Re: german AA rocket damage to a halifax
« Reply #27 on: May 27, 2015, 01:52:13 PM »
Ok, too bad the OP didnt check his story before posting pic... :O

all i had to go on was the caption. which stated " damage received by German rocket attack on a halifax 1943" found in ww2 planes on reddit.

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Re: german AA rocket damage to a halifax
« Reply #28 on: May 27, 2015, 02:22:37 PM »
Hopefully we got elders in this (awesome) wwii simulator to know what really happened... :aok

all i had to go on was the caption. which stated " damage received by German rocket attack on a halifax 1943" found in ww2 planes on reddit.

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Re: german AA rocket damage to a halifax
« Reply #29 on: May 27, 2015, 04:38:42 PM »
Not taking anything away from these brave crewmen and their effort, but you also have to remember not all of those white spots are bullet/shrapnel damage.

Light penetrating from bullet holes and shrapnel holes gives the impression of more holes than there actually is.

A harrowing mission to be sure though.
There must also be a flyable computer available for Nefarious to do FSO. So he doesn't keep talking about it for eight and a half hours on Friday night!