Greatest fighter ever built besides the p39

[Zimme83]

And people are blowing the whistle all the time, u simply refuse to accept it...

[PR3D4TOR]

Please name one person who has first hand knowledge of the F-35 and has blown the whistle.

[Zimme83]

And that is exactly your problem. No one will stand in front of a camera and tell u that the plane is a piece of crap. If someone on the inside do think that they will leak it anonymously. U just refuse to accept anyhing but the pro F-35 info as valid. The answer to everything is "its under development, in 10 years it will be solved".

The A-10 debate for ex. I fully understand that people are sceptical to having the A-10 replaced in the CAS role by a plane that can carry a fraction of the ords that the A-10 can and have a gun pod that have ammo for 3 secs. Its a valid question beacuse low and slow its stealth skin wont protect it. And its a valid fear that a F-35 at 25k dropping SDB:s isnt as effective as an A-10 on the deck for supporting ground troops.

[Squire]

The Light Attack/CAS mission has been completely abandoned in favor of Drones and costly Supersonic Fighters. F-35 good or bad.

[PR3D4TOR]

And that is exactly your problem. No one will stand in front of a camera and tell u that the plane is a piece of crap. If someone on the inside do think that they will leak it anonymously. U just refuse to accept anyhing but the pro F-35 info as valid. The answer to everything is "its under development, in 10 years it will be solved".

There it is. You actually think the US Air Force, US Navy, US Marine Corps, Royal Air Force, Royal Navy, Royal Australian Air Force, Israeli Air Force, Italian Air Force, Italian Navy, Japan Air Self-Defense Force, Royal Netherlands Air Force, Royal Norwegian Air Force, Republic of Korea Air Force, and the Turkish Air Force are all involved in a grand conspiracy to hide the truth that the F-35 "is a piece of crap", as you put it.

Instead of believing the people who know you chose to believe gossip and speculations produced by people who are not privy to the facts and have no way of actually knowing the truth.

That's like believing in "chem trails" or that the moon landings were hoax'. That's insane.

Why can't you just believe these men and women? How can you rationally call them liars without one single piece of evidence?

[Squire]

I think folks can ask legitimate questions regarding the cost and effectiveness of a weapons program without being accused of over the top witch hunting and conspiracy theories.

There have been plenty of DoD projects cancelled or curtailed after the project in question did not live up to cost and/or performance hopes.

...but to suggest that because certain Air Forces expressed an interest in buying the F-35 does not give it any kind of automatic pass either.

[PR3D4TOR]

What I'm reading here on the bbs and in the media has nothing to do with asking "legitimate questions", and everything to do with slander. Something the media is very good at.

[PR3D4TOR]

...but to suggest that because certain Air Forces expressed an interest in buying the F-35 does not give it any kind of automatic pass either.

See all those flags on the fuselage... These nations do not merely express an "interest" in buying the F-35. They are partner nations in the F-35 program, having already paid millions of Dollars to develop the jet. They will want their money's worth.

You didn't even know that...

[PR3D4TOR]

The partner nations have contributed with more than 4 billion Dollars (wikipedia's number), or about 10% of the total development costs of the F-35 program.

[XxDaSTaRxx]

The partner nations have contributed with more than 4 billion Dollars (wikipedia's number), or about 10% of the total development costs of the F-35 program.

Still no point in spending the money to develop and building the aircraft.

Because 40 billion dollars for something we don't need, will end up being less effective than the platforms we already have is certainly a solid investment

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/421473/f-35-defense-waste-danger

“You could argue it [the F-35] was already one of the biggest white elephants in history a long time ago,” stated former U.K. defense chief Nick Harvey in a May interview. Harvey then doubled down, saying there is “not a cat in hell’s chance” the Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) would be combat-ready by 2018. While it is noteworthy that a person of Harvey’s stature would level such harsh criticisms, his statement merely reflects the conclusions of reports by the U.S. Defense Department’s Director of Operational Test & Evaluation (DOT&E), the Government Accountability Office (GAO), the Congressional Research Service, and various independent air-power analysts: The F-35 program is a mess; it is unaffordable and will not be able to fulfill its mission.

[XxDaSTaRxx]

Please name one person who has first hand knowledge of the F-35 and has blown the whistle.

 

An A-10 is always going to be better at CAS, than an F-35 is.

There you go sir, a Quote directly from Major John Wilson, an F-35 pilot.

So now, why is the F-35 replacing the A-10?

[PR3D4TOR]

Still no point in spending the money to develop and building the aircraft.

Because 40 billion dollars for something we don't need, will end up being less effective than the platforms we already have is certainly a solid investment

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/421473/f-35-defense-waste-danger

That's your uninformed opinion based on Mike Fredenburg's uninformed opinion. Why should I give any weight what so ever to your opinion, or his, compared to the USAF, USN and Marines? Obviously I should not, and I don't.

[PR3D4TOR]

 

There you go sir, a Quote directly from Major John Wilson, an F-35 pilot.

So now, why is the F-35 replacing the A-10?

It isn't replacing the A-10. The A-10 will, eventually, be retired without a replacement dedicated CAS platform. As the Major says the A-10 flies only a small percentage of CAS missions. CAS is mostly performed by other platforms like the F-16 and F/A-18.

That video is an excellent example of how pilots who actually fly the F-35 have nothing but praise for the aircraft, and how all you naysayers are listening to the talking heads on TV rather than the professionals who actually know what they're talking about. Did you actually watch the video? lol

Great find. Thanks for sharing!

[XxDaSTaRxx]

It isn't replacing the A-10. The A-10 will, eventually, be retired without a replacement dedicated CAS platform. As the Major says the A-10 flies only a small percentage of CAS missions. CAS is mostly performed by other platforms like the F-16 and F/A-18.

That video is an excellent example of how pilots who actually fly the F-35 have nothing but praise for the aircraft, and how all you naysayers are listening to the talking heads on TV rather than the professionals who actually know what they're talking about. Did you actually watch the video? lol

Great find. Thanks for sharing!

I'm sorry, but let's use logic:

F-16, combat capable NOW, can do what an F-35 will be able to do.
F-35, combat capable 2018+ , can do what AN ALREADY EXISTING PLANE CAN DO IN THE US FLEET, +40 billion down the drain.

Now if you were listening, you'd hear him say that the F-35 will be as capable as an F-16. And if it is only going to be as combat effective as an existing aircraft... Can you finish the rest in your head? 

[XxDaSTaRxx]

That's your uninformed opinion based on Mike Fredenburg's uninformed opinion. Why should I give any weight what so ever to your opinion, or his, compared to the USAF, USN and Marines? Obviously I should not, and I don't.

Huh..... Would ya look at that

his statement merely reflects the conclusions of reports by the U.S. Defense Department’s Director of Operational Test & Evaluation (DOT&E), the Government Accountability Office (GAO), the Congressional Research Service, and various independent air-power analysts...

Hm. I didn't know Mike Fredenburg is former U.K. defense chief Nick Harvey.

Which Mike is quoting Nick here. And Nick is referencing the uh.... Department of Defense.

Yes yes, do tell me more about how Mike Fredenburg runs the entire DoD and is also a former UK defense chief. I'd like to sit down and have a drink with this Mike Fredenburg one day. Sounds like an interesting guy by the way you put it.