Grant the "kill" to the last shooter

[Interceptor]

So many times you shoot at an "undamaged" plane flying in a dogfight, u spend 5 minutes struggling, you finally shoot him down and...You got an "assist" !

Many other simulations use this system, and it's working very well (obviously sometimes u got some who try to "shoot the burning plane", but thats really rare,and anyway noone want to be called a victory stealer in a multiplayer game...)

HTC current system is based on mathematic dmg formulas, but most of the time it grants the kill to someone who isnt even fighting the enemy plane anymore, sometimes on RTB...!)

To be honest, if an enemy plane has no visible (or not enough) damages and can keep flying, or even fighting(!), then the "kill" isnt earned, its earned when the enemy plane is down.

[Muzzy]

Both systems have their flaws. The current system's issues are well-known, but the "last shooter" system opens the door for opportunistic pilots to get a couple of bullets into a plane that's spiraling out of control (but before the pilot bails) and claim a kill. It means that someone who puts a few .303's into a B-17 at the last second gets the credit and the perkies while the TA 152 that put 4 taters into the wing root gets nothing. I'm not saying the current system is perfect; I'm only saying that the "last shooter" system can be just as unfair, if not moreso, and probably lends itself to more abuse.

[Lusche]

Many other simulations use this system, and it's working very well (obviously sometimes u got some who try to "shoot the burning plane", but thats really rare,and anyway noone want to be called a victory stealer in a multiplayer game...)

AH had this system, but it was changed for the very reasons you give, which are incorrect in just one point: It wasn't rare at all.
People get called all kinds of stuff, yet they don't stop picking, hoing running and so on. Calling someone a "killstealer" did never stop anyone from actually doing it.

[mechanic]

How about if both pilots get an assist? That would teach people to finish their food properly

[Aspen]

I'll take the current system over a "last shooter" version.  Yes, its odd to take the wing off a plane that appears to be intact & fighting and only get an assist, but the kill stealing thing was a cause for much whining.

[Skyyr]

-1.

Kill stealing is not really rare in other simulations, and the "last shooter" approach tends to lend itself to the less skilled stealing others' kills. The player who contributed the most damage to the downed aircraft should get the kill, as it should be and as it currently is.

[Zoney]

Many other simulations use this system, and it's working very well (obviously sometimes u got some who try to "shoot the burning plane", but thats really rare,and anyway noone want to be called a victory stealer in a multiplayer game...)

-1  It is "really rare" because we have the system in place that we do.  If you change the way kills are scored, this will no longer be the case.  Guaranteed!

[Zimme83]

An alternative is a shared victory, for ex: >75% of damage - gives u the entire kill, >35% but <75% gives u a shared (½) kill. <35% gives nothing (ok an assist).

[Drane]

-1

I shot the vertical stab and rudder off a b17 the other day and it was going down. Typed it in buffer and called out on vox and still 2 players came in, shot it up and stole what would of been my kill. Later I watched those same players land many kills for their sortie. ?????? People try to steal my kills all the time. This includes so called "righteous" players who claim to play fair. No way would I let last shooter get a kill for something I earned. This is why I never complain about getting assists.

[Skyyr]

-1

I shot the vertical stab and rudder off a b17 the other day and it was going down. Typed it in buffer and called out on vox and still 2 players came in, shot it up and stole what would of been my kill. Later I watched those same players land many kills for their sortie. ?????? People try to steal my kills all the time. This includes so called "righteous" players who claim to play fair. No way would I let last shooter get a kill for something I earned. This is why I never complain about getting assists.

To the best of my knowledge, once an aircraft has been damaged to "100%" (i.e. a vertical stab comes off, an entire wing [not just the tip], the entire tail, both elevators, etc.), the damage stops being tallied for the contributing players (effectively, you can't do more than 100% damage). I've tested this extensively, hundreds of times, and this has held true.

If you shot his stab off but weren't awarded the kill, it's because damage was done to him prior to you shooting off the stabilizer, not after.

Someone please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but as I mentioned, I've tested this thoroughly and found this to be true in every case I've encountered.

[Drane]

To the best of my knowledge, once an aircraft has been damaged to "100%" (i.e. a vertical stab comes off, an entire wing [not just the tip], the entire tail, both elevators, etc.), the damage stops being tallied for the contributing players (effectively, you can't do more than 100% damage). I've tested this extensively, hundreds of times, and this has held true.

If you shot his stab off but weren't awarded the kill, it's because damage was done to him prior to you shooting off the stabilizer, not after.

Someone please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but as I mentioned, I've tested this thoroughly and found this to be true in every case I've encountered.

Really? Why do you worry about what I say? My position remains the same based on the greedy behavior of fellow players. Don't waste our time by analyzing other peoples comments as if you are an authority on anything.

[Skyyr]

Really? Why do you worry about what I say? My position remains the same based on the greedy behavior of fellow players. Don't waste our time by analyzing other peoples comments as if you are an authority on anything.

I wasn't analyzing your comment or attempting to read or put anything into your post, I was simply clarifying, from experience, to others who might come along and read it (as new players can frequent here as well). As I mentioned, once a "critical component" is damaged, the kill cannot be stolen by others shooting at it post-damage - it is simply awarded to whomever did the most damage up to that point.

We can test this in a custom arena if you'd like.

My apologies if it read any other way.

-=S=-

[Mitchell]

How about the one who did the most damage within 4k of the kill site gets it. Unless none of the people in that area damaged the plane or there are no enemies in 4k, then the kill will be awarded like normal.
That way if someone shoots up a bomber formation and runs home they can't sit on the runway hoping to get more kills from the next interceptor( seen it a few times when going after strat runners)

[ONTOS]

A person who gets an assist, should get some perks, half the perks a killer would get or at least .5 or 1. After all with out his contribution , the plane might not have gone down.

[caldera]

A person who gets an assist, should get some perks, half the perks a killer would get or at least .5 or 1. After all with out his contribution , the plane might not have gone down.

Ganging to the 10th power.


Conversely, shouldn't the guy who gets shot by all those hand holders get perks instead?  You want to give perks for tag teaming, but what about the guy who has to fight the gang?  Certainly more perk worthy than what you propose.