The newest arena whine: Head Ons

[LePaul]

I dunno when this became vogue, or if it has always been an issue that just comes up from time to time.  

Here's my thought...If you pilot your aircraft directly into the path of mine, and begin firing....then complain when I pop off some 30mm's back at you and destroy you, do not private message me "Lame head on, dude" style messages.  This happened to me twice last night and once last week.

Last night, on the second occasion, a P-51 turned at me and fired away, wounding my pilot...I was RTB'ing in a G10 from a hi-alt anti buff sortie.  With my pilot passing out every 30 seconds, when I "awoke" for a few seconds, I saw the P-51D 1.1k in front of me and closing fast, guns blazing.  So, again, I plug away with the 30mm before I pass out again.  When I 'come to' again, I see the kill message, note my right aileron, flap and elevator are gone, and have a lovely private message yelling at me for a "lame head on".  Nevermind the P-51 attacked me and made an all out effort to do what I did to them.

I mean, it seems kettle-hot-black...but as far as I knew, head ons are part of the game.  I just find it humorous those accusing me of it are the ones who instigated them!

Anyone else seeing this trend?  We all hate being shot down, but don't cry at the guy for shooting back, folks!

[SOB]

This isn't new, I think you've been missing out on the quality whines up 'til now!  For some reason tho', nobody ever complains to me when I HO them with my P51b.  Wierd.  


SOB

[Karnak]

LePaul,

I'm surprised you hadn't noticed this before. HO whines are a constant and ongoing thing.

I have 3 points about HOs:

1: It takes two to HO.  It is easy to avoid an HO. If you were in an HO it was your fault.

2: HOs were rather common in WWII. They were dangerous of course, but common nonetheless.

3: A front quarter shot is not an HO.  An HO is only when both parties can shoot at eachother while flying straight and level.

If you get in front of me and head straight for me, I amy or may not "flinch" depending on what I am flying and what you are flying. If you want to go head to head with my Tiffie, Il-2 or Mossie expect to get shot at.

[Westy MOL]

Complaints about HO's and accusations about HO'rs parentage have always been there. I'm guilty of saying something on squad channel after I get killed during one to this very day.
 But I never answer private channel whines. And I've gotten a few too   Be it for vulching, gang banging or their colliding with me but saying it was my fault and that I rammed em. I just squelch them and chuckle.

 That being said. I now HO every N1K2 I see. No matter what  

  Westy

[ 09-07-2001: Message edited by: Westy MOL ]

[Staga]

Heh BD couple months ago you made a "Half Cuban Eight" in front of me and I climbed up and shot you from front quarter when you were in top of it. Next I saw a your text in buffer, something about HO.
I said something back and squelched you after that  

[milnko]

HO's, vulchin', chute shootin', sexy virgin sheep, all great things to do!~

I'll HO ya, I'll vulch ya, I'll shoot yer danglin' bellybutton right outta that chute, AND most impotently, I'll laff meself delirous if ya's PM me to whine, cry, and or snivel about it!

I'm a jus' wishin' dem fellas at HTC would gimme 30mm gunpods fer ma Dora so dem HO's really violated yer bootocks!

[AN]

People will whine about anything, especially if they die because of it.

Even in AW, when headons were nearly impossible because 97% of headon hits were thrown out, headons were one of the biggest whines on the list.

Personally, I've started to enjoy headons lately.  I used to always avoid them, but I've found out that sneaking in a headon in the middle of a good fight can be more fun than shooting someone in his chute.  

Now if I could just find more good fights. :/

anRky

[LePaul]

Originally posted by Staga:
Heh BD couple months ago you made a "Half Cuban Eight" in front of me and I climbed up and shot you from front quarter when you were in top of it. Next I saw a your text in buffer, something about HO.
I said something back and squelched you after that  

LOL....well, had you not squelched me, you would have seen I calmed down and said "Well done"     Bastid!

[Rocket]

Ya know I will point my noise towards the enemy everytime, now I am not trying to go nose to nose but if my nose is traveling towards the front area of his plane he isn't behind me.  Will I shoot if I have a shot? You bet your bellybutton I will.  The point is to win, that is all just win.

  Now dueling is a different story and I think this is where the problem stems from.  In most duels I have fought it is agreed upon to merge guns cold until after the 3/9 line. After that give at it.  Now I started flying WWII online with WB H2H ladder only.  I got used to this guns cold merge.  I was horrified when I started flying in an arena and some somsqueak shot at me on a nose on merge.  After reading Shaws numerous times, I find it safer and advantagous to point my nose in the direction of my opponant, pass on shooting at him unless I have a high % shot, make a better merge than my opponant and then kill them.  

  Don't squeak about my merge and I won't cry when I get killed ;P

S!
Rocket

[Lephturn]

Just type this in to the radio for them.
 http://lephturn.webhop.net/hodefense.htm

I re-read it myself from time to time when I get sucked into a HO and get killed.  

BTW, what Rocket mentions is one reason why I NEVER agree to a guns cold merge when training students or practicing myself.  The reason is that it is a needless complication and it hurts my fighting skills.  Nobody in their right mind would go for the HO straight off in a duel anyway... it's just too easy to counter.  Train the way you fight, fight the way you train.

[ 09-07-2001: Message edited by: Lephturn ]

[BigJim]

Normally I just troll around here since I left a few months ago and haven't renewed my account altho I suspect I might be soon, But I just can't resist dispelling this myth that HO's can always be avoided, that they are always your fault, and that it takes two to make one.  

A. often if you avoid you will give the attacker the advantage.

B.  The poster's example proves he was NOT looking for an HO but was forced into it.

C. often in a multiple vs one situation you can find yourself in a HO not of your intention.

as for the whine I do agree that HO's happened alot in the actual war (too many examples to quote but Bong comes to mind)
so I do agree that the whine is stupid

BigJim

[AKSWulfe]

Myth my ass... it's fact.

I've only died to HOs that I've flown into. I always live through HOs and turn around to kill the bandit when I go for a better shooting aspect.

What does this mean?

HOs are only HOs when both of your noses are pointed at each other. Otherwise it's a half assed attempt and we all know half-assed attemps lead to failure.

Don't do a HO, take evasive action and save energy to put the fight on your terms.

Can't believe people still believe HOs can't be avoided.
-SW

[Baddawg]

I die from HO , 99%I try to avoid HO's,sometimes its a crack shot who did a hard  skidding rudder move and nailed me with a lucky shot.
It happens .
I cannot believe there are people who believe it cannot happen.

I just dont waste my time complaining about it. It happens.
The saying  "It takes two to HO" is just a whine by the anti-whiners to whine about the whiners. IMO of course  

[mrfish]

i'll always ho a hi nik or spit ix (different story if they are low). the g2 is limited against them (or at least in my incapable hands).

- can't outrun em
- cant out turn em
- cant outdive em
- cant out climb em

i'll start with a fancy move and sometimes it works, but all they have to do if they are smart is point their nose at me and from that point anything i do, they can match.

once they are on your tail you're dead, even if you are barrell rolling and pulling evsaives, it's just a matter of time til enough mosquitos see you injured and come buzzing around in a swarm to finish you off. best to at least have you guns pointed at them.  

all you guys who fly d9s, p51s, g10s, la7s etc - keep in mind not all of us can engage and disengage at will. and the only way to fight turners is to go sighseeing in the puss-o-sphere and come down every 2 hrs for a bounce. the ho becomes an effective defense when cornered - if for nothing else than getting them to turn.

- and ps - someone wisely posted an example once i forget who now so i can't properly credit them but- try to ho a drone offline...it is very difficult unless both parties engage.

[Paxil]

I can't even remember the last time I died to a HO.