The ability to give perk points to squad members

[DREDIOCK]

More a suggestion then a wish

This would be for single flight only.


As an example
Say you wanted to run a 262 mission with your squad. But one or more members doesnt have enough perks to take one. But another member of the squad has more then enough.
Allow the person with a surplus of perks to pay for another squad members ride for that flight

[guncrasher]

only if the perks are nonrefundable.


semp

[DREDIOCK]

only if the perks are nonrefundable.


semp

I dont see the point in making them non refundable.
Land the plane. The perks go back to their original owner minus whatever perks the player may have earned as a result of the flight. Get killed and perks are lost just as they normally would be.

Doesnt matter to me. I have like 11 or 12K worth of fighter perks as I rarely take perk rides. But Over the years Ive been in squads where a perk ride was suggested then nixed because one member didnt have the perks to take it

[guncrasher]

well, you want to give them away, so they shouldnt come back to you.  and since the one you gave them to didnt earn them.  then they should be nonrefundable.

it has been suggested several times before. and the logic for not been able to give them away is because eventually it will create an underground economy where you trade perks for money.  for example, I'll give you 1000 perks you pay me 1 month's dues.  give them only to squadies, sure no problem, join my squad.

besides if you have been playing for a while and you dont have the perks to fly a perk plane anytime you want then you seriously need to rethink the way you play.


semp

[Wiley]

Not an angle I'd ever really looked at it from.  If they never changed hands, and were either returned to the original player if it lands or just lost as soon as the squaddie ups, would that really create an economy?  I'm kind of thinking they should just be lost period.  Also, perk points should be restricted to the arena they're earned in.

Just trying to think how it would be done.  The farmer would do whatever he does to farm perks, then have to be logged into the MA and available to give his squaddies a perk vehicle?

Doesn't sound tremendously automatable to me, so I doubt the profit margin would be worth it.

I'm not completely opposed to this idea, pending further thought.

Wiley.

[Volron]

So: I only have 130 perks and need 70 more to fly the 262.  Squadie supplements the remaining 70 perks and boom, I'm in the air with a 262.  If I make it back, he get's his 70 perks back and I keep the rest.  If I get shot down, he loses those 70 perks (and of course I lose mine).  ANY perks I earn shooting stuff down goes back to me, regardless.  So he either get's the 70 perks back if I land, or loses them if I get shot down.  No middle ground.

Is this the way you were thinking Dred?  If so, then I do not see a problem with it.  So long as the person who is supplementing the perks is fully aware that he will not get the perks back if the person he's helping get's shot down.


If you wish to just give them perks, then I see some problems with it.  The common example is: Go to EW/MW, farm, go to MA, sell.  Making the perks arena specific may help with this issue but it will make the game more restrictive.  I recall someone saying that HiTech doesn't wish to do this.  If this is so, then the only real option is the supplement option.

[BowHTR]

it has been suggested several times before. and the logic for not been able to give them away is because eventually it will create an underground economy where you trade perks for money.  for example, I'll give you 1000 perks you pay me 1 month's dues.  give them only to squadies, sure no problem, join my squad.

semp

Im all for this, however I don't see it happening due to this reason.

[Wiley]

Im all for this, however I don't see it happening due to this reason.

Right, but Dredlock's got a slight spin on it.  You don't give them the perks, you buy the plane for them.  I think that's a distinction that really minimizes the ability for it to turn into an economy.  I'd be one of the first calling for it to be dumped if it did turn into an economy, but I think it might have the potential to work out.

Wiley.

[BowHTR]

Right, but Dredlock's got a slight spin on it.  You don't give them the perks, you buy the plane for them.  I think that's a distinction that really minimizes the ability for it to turn into an economy.  I'd be one of the first calling for it to be dumped if it did turn into an economy, but I think it might have the potential to work out.

Wiley.

How bout I pay for your months subscription in exchange for 5 262s?

[Wiley]

How bout I pay for your months subscription in exchange for 5 262s?

Hell, what's stopping you from doing that today by giving someone your login info?

Wait, I've said too much...

But seriously, it might happen but I just can't see it becoming widespread.  My main fear was constant channel spam 'JOIN MY SQUAD AND I WILL GIVE YOU ALL THE 262s YOU WANT ONLY $5'.

If they made perks only available on the server you earned them on, and watched out for shade vulching which has to be blindingly simple to automate, it should be fairly easy to do.

Wiley.

[BowHTR]

I'm fully for this or the ability to earn perks for the squad. Before takeoff, in the hanger you can select that you want the perks for your sortie to go to the squad. In order to use the squad perks, you could setup a mission and the squad perks could pay for the perked rides. Or if you had a way to right click someones name on the roster and grant squad perks.

Sadly this would all be abused.

[Wiley]

I'm fully for this or the ability to earn perks for the squad. Before takeoff, in the hanger you can select that you want the perks for your sortie to go to the squad. In order to use the squad perks, you could setup a mission and the squad perks could pay for the perked rides. Or if you had a way to right click someones name on the roster and grant squad perks.

Sadly this would all be abused.

It would be abused.  However, if there was no way to 'pool' the perks, and instead of giving perks to the squad what about this:

- You have to be online with your squaddie.
- You have to right click on his name in the roster and click on the 'Give plane' option that lets you choose the plane you want to give him and pay the perks for.
- If he does not launch it within 5 minutes, or launches something else, the perks immediately revert back to you.

I'm just trying to imagine how I would go about this if I wanted to be a farmer, and I'm having trouble imagining it being viable.  It would definitely require, as I stated before, that perks were only available in the arena they were earned and if they stepped up their anti cheating a little bit.

Now the guys that are sitting on 20k perks are a bit of a different beastie.  5 262s a month averaging 100 perks per, 40 months plus whatever you'd earn in that time.  So if you have one guy paying your sub for 5 262s, you can do it for 3 years and a bit.  IF you can find someone willing to pay $3 per 262.  Seems a bit high to me, and therefore a pretty optimistic scenario, but I'm sure one could find someone to do it.

Earning 500 perks a month would be possible for some in the MA, but I have my doubts many would do it.

I just don't see it being viable for anybody who would particularly want to do it.  The guys that can earn 500 plane perks a month legitimately could probably all fit in 1 minivan.

Wiley.

[BowHTR]

Earning 500 perks a month would be possible for some in the MA, but I have my doubts many would do it.

I just don't see it being viable for anybody who would particularly want to do it.  The guys that can earn 500 plane perks a month legitimately could probably all fit in 1 minivan.

Wiley.

I dont think 500 perks in a month is really all that much. I enjoy trying to get atleast 30 perks a day when i fly. Here is a screenshot of the google doc that i use to keep track of my perks. So far, in the 6 days that i have flown in the past 10 days, i've earned about 215 perks. And i don't consider myself to a great pilot.

[bozon]

Similar things have been suggested before.

Personally, I think it should not be limited to squaddies - why not allow a player to pay the perks for another regardless of squadron affiliation?
Also, as stated above in the thread, the perks should be non-refundable. The other guy got his donated perk ride, he should be able to take any risk and fly it as he pleases without consequences or pressure to land it back. It SHOULD be a big perk sinkhole.

Finally, it was suggested in the past to implement this as part of the mission planner - if you add a perked plane to the mission, the planner can tick a box that says the he will pay the perks for that flight. I wouldn't mind to pay for 262 missions for noobs or launch a 163 swarm to kill HQ attackers. 15,000 (currently useless) perks will allow a few of these missions.

[Oddball-CAF]

only if the perks are nonrefundable.
semp

  While I would prefer not to see Dredlock's "wish" granted, I very much like -this- idea
of them being non-refundable. It is in keeping with Dredlock's "spirit of giving", whereas
if he were to get those perks back, his selfless act of kindness would not seem half as
nice.