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Offline JVboob

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Re: 'Real' dogfighting.
« Reply #30 on: June 22, 2015, 11:31:19 PM »
I would love to do like 3 weeks of the wingman thing. drag a squaddie along. or vraciu or maybe muzzy.
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Re: 'Real' dogfighting.
« Reply #31 on: June 23, 2015, 01:14:25 AM »
Is there a stuff like that somewhere in Europe?

Even Aerobatics only?
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Re: 'Real' dogfighting.
« Reply #32 on: June 23, 2015, 01:25:43 AM »
You should definitely post videos of what its like here.
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Re: 'Real' dogfighting.
« Reply #33 on: June 23, 2015, 02:26:32 AM »
Also, if you get into a stalemate, circling stallfight on the hard deck, and if the plane you are in has flaps, ask the instructor pilot to drop a notch of flaps.

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Re: 'Real' dogfighting.
« Reply #34 on: June 23, 2015, 10:02:29 PM »
on the way to the place be sure to fill up on Chile dogs and Coke.   
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Re: 'Real' dogfighting.
« Reply #35 on: June 24, 2015, 08:33:21 AM »
Eat bananas before the flight:
  • they give you blood sugar
  • they taste the same on the way down and the way back up ;)
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Re: 'Real' dogfighting.
« Reply #36 on: June 24, 2015, 11:26:19 AM »
I would love to do like 3 weeks of the wingman thing. drag a squaddie along. or vraciu or maybe muzzy.

That would be a blast.  :airplane:


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Re: 'Real' dogfighting.
« Reply #37 on: June 24, 2015, 11:53:27 AM »
Try to cheat to be a little lower than the other plane at the merge, but already pulling up in your lead-turn as if you're just trying to get back to co-altitude.  Don't go pure vertical, but bias it oblique a bit towards wherever the sun is to make it harder for the other guy to see.  In the first part of the turn aim for 3-4 G's but back off on the G's a bit as you pass vertical so you don't pull it into a stall going over the top.  If you float a vertical turn (immelman, loop, whatever), you'll gain lots of altitude but you'll have a huge turn circle and be slow/helpless at the top if the other guy went up too but turned inside you, and he may win with a vertical snap-shot as you float over the top.

When very very slow, don't be afraid of nudging the rudder a bit if you need the nose to go one way or another, but also be prepared to IMMEDIATELY apply opposite rudder and move the stick fwd a bit if the nose starts slicing, especially with the power still up.  Power on spin entries can be violent so listen to what the IP says you can and can't do.

Don't try negative G maneuvers unless you like chewing second-hand banana.

Eat a little protein too in your pre-flight breakfast.  Egg has worked good for me in my flying career.

Stay hydrated but not so much before flight that you have to pee before the flight is over.  The last thing you do before you step out of the building to go fly is make one last bathroom stop.  Seriously, don't pass up a chance to pee.  Ever.

Watch getting the nose buried downhill.  If you get going fast the instructor WILL intervene.  If you try a split-S, make sure you're fairly slow to begin with and get on the pull early or you'll get going too fast and you'll either end up with a HUGE turn circle that the opponent can cut inside, or your IP will intervene.

Keep the ball centered if you're in a rate fight (level turn fight going 'round and 'round).  Don't get greedy until you're SURE you can cash in any extra speed to get the other plane in your gunsight.

A rolling scissors is cool but often degenerates quickly into a flat scissors.  If it keeps rolling, one or both planes will often go through the floor which ends the engagement.

Pull to the other guy's high-6.

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Re: 'Real' dogfighting.
« Reply #38 on: June 24, 2015, 01:06:56 PM »
Try to cheat to be a little lower than the other plane at the merge, but already pulling up in your lead-turn as if you're just trying to get back to co-altitude.  Don't go pure vertical, but bias it oblique a bit towards wherever the sun is to make it harder for the other guy to see.  In the first part of the turn aim for 3-4 G's but back off on the G's a bit as you pass vertical so you don't pull it into a stall going over the top.  If you float a vertical turn (immelman, loop, whatever), you'll gain lots of altitude but you'll have a huge turn circle and be slow/helpless at the top if the other guy went up too but turned inside you, and he may win with a vertical snap-shot as you float over the top.

When very very slow, don't be afraid of nudging the rudder a bit if you need the nose to go one way or another, but also be prepared to IMMEDIATELY apply opposite rudder and move the stick fwd a bit if the nose starts slicing, especially with the power still up.  Power on spin entries can be violent so listen to what the IP says you can and can't do.

Don't try negative G maneuvers unless you like chewing second-hand banana.

Eat a little protein too in your pre-flight breakfast.  Egg has worked good for me in my flying career.

Stay hydrated but not so much before flight that you have to pee before the flight is over.  The last thing you do before you step out of the building to go fly is make one last bathroom stop.  Seriously, don't pass up a chance to pee.  Ever.

Watch getting the nose buried downhill.  If you get going fast the instructor WILL intervene.  If you try a split-S, make sure you're fairly slow to begin with and get on the pull early or you'll get going too fast and you'll either end up with a HUGE turn circle that the opponent can cut inside, or your IP will intervene.

Keep the ball centered if you're in a rate fight (level turn fight going 'round and 'round).  Don't get greedy until you're SURE you can cash in any extra speed to get the other plane in your gunsight.

A rolling scissors is cool but often degenerates quickly into a flat scissors.  If it keeps rolling, one or both planes will often go through the floor which ends the engagement.

Pull to the other guy's high-6.
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Re: 'Real' dogfighting.
« Reply #39 on: June 24, 2015, 01:44:20 PM »
Wait for him to run out of fuel, then when he's gliding on approach to land, fly up behind him and shoot him down.

It's how Yeager got his 262.

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Re: 'Real' dogfighting.
« Reply #40 on: June 24, 2015, 09:51:18 PM »
Oh yeah, and I'm eating froot loops and skittles for breakfast!   :x

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Re: 'Real' dogfighting.
« Reply #41 on: June 25, 2015, 02:45:14 AM »
The true dogfighter's breakfast (and I think that eagl will back me up on this) is a mountain of cabbage and beans, washed down with liberal amounts of beer.

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Re: 'Real' dogfighting.
« Reply #42 on: June 25, 2015, 08:17:35 AM »
Try to cheat to be a little lower than the other plane at the merge, but already pulling up in your lead-turn as if you're just trying to get back to co-altitude.  Don't go pure vertical, but bias it oblique a bit towards wherever the sun is to make it harder for the other guy to see.  In the first part of the turn aim for 3-4 G's but back off on the G's a bit as you pass vertical so you don't pull it into a stall going over the top.  If you float a vertical turn (immelman, loop, whatever), you'll gain lots of altitude but you'll have a huge turn circle and be slow/helpless at the top if the other guy went up too but turned inside you, and he may win with a vertical snap-shot as you float over the top.

I was hoping you'd chime in.
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Re: 'Real' dogfighting.
« Reply #43 on: June 25, 2015, 09:57:27 AM »
The true dogfighter's breakfast (and I think that eagl will back me up on this) is a mountain of cabbage and beans, washed down with liberal amounts of beer.

According to Dos Gringos, the appropriate meal before an ACT flight is a greasy chimichanga and 2 tequila shots.
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Re: 'Real' dogfighting.
« Reply #44 on: June 25, 2015, 04:50:10 PM »
I had the best hockey game of my life after being up all night and eating a breakfast of a greasy steak-and-egg burrito.  :aok