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Re: Real p38 pilots video
« Reply #30 on: June 25, 2015, 07:11:02 PM »
Out of the gate it was...required a lot of 'upgrades' and modifications.  The versions delivered to the British were also a 'dud'.

The British received the Model 332B but lacked the counter-rotating props and turbo super charger.  However, in 1943 the RAF AFDU (Air Fighting Development Unit) did some trials with the P-47C and the P-38F (AFDU Report #66) and in the test pilots conclusions (AFDU Report Addendum to AFDU Report #66) stated that if had a choice to choose between the P-47C and the P-38F to take into combat, the pilot would pick the P-38F.
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Re: Real p38 pilots video
« Reply #31 on: June 25, 2015, 07:35:12 PM »
We all know that given the choice they would have picked the Spitfire over both.  :old:
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Re: Real p38 pilots video
« Reply #32 on: June 25, 2015, 07:45:09 PM »
P-38 had same advantage as the 110, longer range than the single engine fighters. So before there was enough P-47 and -51 aviable there was only the -38 to use for long range missions.
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Re: Real p38 pilots video
« Reply #33 on: June 25, 2015, 10:03:40 PM »
Well, the early P-38D and E didn't have drop tanks, so they couldn't go very far. The first P-38 to carry drop tanks was the F model in the summer of 1942. The improved G model with more powerful engines didn't arrive until spring/summer of 1943. This is the earliest model P-38 available in AH and it is a complete dog compared to Spits and 109s.
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Re: Real p38 pilots video
« Reply #34 on: June 26, 2015, 10:27:42 AM »
The British received the Model 332B but lacked the counter-rotating props and turbo super charger.  However, in 1943 the RAF AFDU (Air Fighting Development Unit) did some trials with the P-47C and the P-38F (AFDU Report #66) and in the test pilots conclusions (AFDU Report Addendum to AFDU Report #66) stated that if had a choice to choose between the P-47C and the P-38F to take into combat, the pilot would pick the P-38F.
AFDU absolutely hated the P47. They said it would be no match for the ggerman fighters. They were wrong about many things.
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Re: Real p38 pilots video
« Reply #35 on: June 26, 2015, 11:07:44 AM »
The P-47C that they tested in 1943 certainly wasn't a match for the109 and 190, except at very high altitudes. And while it didn't fall apart in the air like the P-47B, the C still had a number of issues with the fuel, oil and hydraulic systems and chronic engine overheating limiting the performance. It wasn't until the D model that the P-47 became a competitive fighter.
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Re: Real p38 pilots video
« Reply #36 on: June 26, 2015, 11:18:05 AM »
The P-47D they liked well enough that they bought hundreds of them. Deployed as fighter bombers in the PTO mostly.

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Re: Real p38 pilots video
« Reply #37 on: July 03, 2015, 01:54:14 AM »
Most pilots I've heard or read comments from who flew the P-38 and the P-51 in combat preferred the P-51, but certainly not all.

There is a set of them who thought that the P-38 was an excellent fighter.

As mentioned already, it was a highly regarded and sought-after fighter in North Africa and the Pacific Theater.  (It is not a solid argument to say "Sure it was valued in the Pacific because Japanese planes were inferior."  The reason that is a fallacious argument is that that all US planes flew in the Pacific -- the P-38 in the Pacific was highly regarded when considering P-51's, P-47's, F4U's, etc. as well.  It also is not a solid argument to say "Well, so and so's unit shot down a bunch of P-38's and didn't suffer any losses" or "so and so said that P-38's were easy to shoot down."  Initial US forces were completely green.  Green pilots flying anything would have had trouble vs. Galland or LW veterans.  Some LW pilots didn't think the P-47 was a very good fighter either, yet it battled the LW at its height and acquitted itself well.)

It was also a fighter with enormous range.

It was an excellent fighter-bomber and ground-attack airplane.

There are about four reasons why a lot of pilots disliked the P-38 (poor training on engine failures, lots of engine failures at high altitudes, egregious cockpit heat, and compressibility problems above about 20k).  Many of those things were not issues in North Africa and the Pacific, and even in the high-alt European setting, they were solvable without significant redesign (and in fact were solved, but just too late to change opinions that were already formed -- and P-51's were showing up in numbers by that time anyway while folks were screaming for every P-38 they could get in N. Africa).

The P-38 was a decent fighter in WWII, has a record that shows this, and was highly regarded by most US pilots in North Africa and the Pacific and even by some in Europe.

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Re: Real p38 pilots video
« Reply #38 on: July 03, 2015, 01:56:11 AM »
AFDU absolutely hated the P47. They said it would be no match for the ggerman fighters. They were wrong about many things.

Soviets felt the same about the P-47, they felt it didn't meet their need as a fighter which is why they pushed them off to the Navy for the northern fleet.
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Re: Real p38 pilots video
« Reply #39 on: July 03, 2015, 02:15:37 AM »
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