Allow the Brewster to be able to up from a CV

[tuba515]

I know you can up a F4f but the Brewster is its own unique aircraft. And historically they were operated off of CVs and land. The battle of midway for example had a squadron of Brewster and F4f's in the first engagements defending the island this squadron was initially meant for the USS Saragtoga.  It would be a nice addition to the CV aircraft list , and the nice thing is we already have the aircraft. The Brewster along with the F4F was used on CV's up until the F4u and f6f were introduced. This wish is a historical wish and tactical all in one nice package.     

[Oldman731]

I know you can up a F4f but the Brewster is its own unique aircraft. And historically they were operated off of CVs and land. The battle of midway for example had a squadron of Brewster and F4f's in the first engagements defending the island this squadron was initially meant for the USS Saragtoga.  It would be a nice addition to the CV aircraft list , and the nice thing is we already have the aircraft. The Brewster along with the F4F was used on CV's up until the F4u and f6f were introduced. This wish is a historical wish and tactical all in one nice package.   

I believe our Brew is not the U.S. carrier version in service during the war, and has much better performance than the U.S. Navy's.

- oldman

[Ack-Ack]

The Brewster we have in game (B-239) was the export version of the F2A-1 and was "de-navalized", meaning that the gear added to the planes to allow them to operate from a carrier was removed (tail hook, etc.) and as such, could no longer operate off a carrier.  So it is correct that the B-239 should not be allowed to operate from a CV in game, just like the B-25 isn't allowed.

The Brewster Buffalo that took part in Midway with the Marines was the F2A-3, a version we do not have in game.  The B-339 series (used by the RAF/Commonwealth forces and the Dutch) also didn't operate off carriers.

[Zimme83]

I agree, a carrier version of the Brewster would have to be a lot heavier that the 239 and less maneuverable.

[Muzzy]

In other words it would have to be as crappy as people complain that it should be.

That being said, I think the Lexington was the last CV to operate the Brew...she had F2A's from 7 December until 26 January but they never saw action.

[Ack-Ack]

In other words it would have to be as crappy as people complain that it should be.

That being said, I think the Lexington was the last CV to operate the Brew...she had F2A's from 7 December until 26 January but they never saw action.

Those also were F2A-3s of Fighting Squadron 2 (VF-2).

[Zimme83]

According to Wiki the F2A3 weighted in at 7,159 lb MTOW, compare that to the 6700lb of a spit VB so the Brewster suffered a lot from the extra weight added.

[Muzzy]

Those also were F2A-3s of Fighting Squadron 2 (VF-2).

Yeah that was VF 2 aboard the Lex before they transitioned to the Wildcat.

[Ack-Ack]

According to Wiki the F2A3 weighted in at 7,159 lb MTOW, compare that to the 6700lb of a spit VB so the Brewster suffered a lot from the extra weight added.

Now compare the weight of the F2A-3 with the F2A-1 (5,040lbs) and you can see why the Brewster we have in game is so nimble.

[Zimme83]

Now compare the weight of the F2A-3 with the F2A-1 (5,040lbs) and you can see why the Brewster we have in game is so nimble.

Yep, the difference was huge, wing loading went from 24 lbs/ft2 to 34 lbs/ft2, taking it from almost equal to a Zero to just slightly better than a Spit XIV. A F2A-3 would prob be outturned by a lot of planes in the game.

[tuba515]

Thanks for the input  alot of cool inputs there  van ww maybe use them in scenarios or FSOs it would be better than what we had in real life but very similar

[icepac]

If current brewster is allowed on CV, then how about 109T?

[Wmaker]

If current brewster is allowed on CV, then how about 109T?

The current Brewster has not been allowed on CV since its introduction in 2009. Are you holding your breath that it will be? 109T enabled from CVs makes just as much sense as adding Brewster Model 239 on CVs, which is none in both counts.

[Devil 505]

If current brewster is allowed on CV, then how about 109T?

Because the few 109T's that did see service were also de-"navalized." They never operated off of a carrier, nor was there a carrier to operate from.

The 109T is the least useful, needed, or merited variant of the 109 for AH. 

[icepac]

Notice the word "if" at the beginning of my quoted post.

I still would like to see the 109T in game because it flew more combat missions than many planes currently in game.........just not from a carrier.

It would require more Flight Model work than any other 109 variant because of the different wing, though so maybe it would be too much trouble.

It would fly different than any 109 variant.