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Andy Rooney
« on: June 26, 2015, 03:44:27 PM »
"There's a hole in Banshee's nose bigger than my entire fist. Next to me our navigator is slumped over, I think he might be unconscious. I wasn't trained for something like this, I'm just a reporter. Everything on the plane is shaking. I think I'm going to be sick." -Andy Rooney



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Re: Andy Rooney
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2015, 05:50:59 PM »
He was a fine reporter.
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« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2015, 06:37:10 PM »
He was one of the best war correspondents we had.
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« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2015, 10:01:49 AM »
And yet he told the story of the poor gunner stuck in the ball of the B-17 with the hydraulic failure that couldn't get it's gear down.


The B-17 has electric landing gear.
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Re: Andy Rooney
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2015, 10:17:36 AM »
Are you implying that because Andy Rooney didn't know that b17 landing gear were not electric he fabricated the incident?
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Re: Andy Rooney
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2015, 11:08:27 PM »
Here are some excerpts from Masters of the Air:

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   On February 26, after a long weather delay, the Eighth struck Wilhelmshaven again, and this time American reporters went along. One of them was Andy Rooney. A graduate of Colgate University, he was lead correspondent for the London-based GI-run paper, Stars and Stripes. "The Eighth Air Force was the best story in the European war at that time," Rooney recalled, "and we were tired of going up to those airbases and interviewing young guys our age that lost friends in battle and returning to the comforts of London that night. But we didn't realize until the top boys in the Eighth cleared the idea that we'd have to attend gunnery school for a week. If we were going to be on a bomber in battle, we were told we'd better know how to shoot a gun in case we got into trouble."
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   On the Wilhelmshaven mission, Andy Rooney was assigned to Lt. Bill Casey's Banshee, whose crew had watched Arizona Harris fire his final round of bullets as the sea closed over him. Although a regular visitor to bomber bases, Rooney had never been to a preflight briefing. "I remember thinking how good, how all-American, the young fliers looked in their leather jackets, open shirt collars, and a jaunty, leather-peaked caps set on their heads at a casually rakish angle. There were a few who wore neckties, Yale, perhaps." When the briefing officer told them the target for the day was in Germany, Rooney thought seriously for the first time about his own demise. At twenty-four, with a wife at home waiting for him, he felt he had made a colossal mistake, but there was no turning back.
   "Everything was quiet - almost monotonous - for an hour after we left the English coast," Rooney wrote in the story his paper published the next day. "Then the trouble began." Silver fighter planes came diving out of the sun and disappeared into a cloudbank as quickly as they had appeared. "They seemed tiny, hardly a machine of destruction, and an impossible target." Sitting in the cramped nose compartment, Rooney was almost knocked into the lap of the bombardier when the navigator spun his handheld gun around to fire at a Messerchmitt as it streaked past them. For the next two hours, German fighters filled the sights of the gunners, and before the bombers were far into Germany, they began to fly through dense fields of floating metal. On the bomb run, there was an ear-splitting explosion and the Plexiglas nose seemed about to break off from the fuselage. The bombardier pulled back in shock and covered his eyes with his hands, thinking he was blinded. He was unhurt, however, and "what appeared to be the nose being ripped off actually was only a small hole the size of a man's fist." When the bombardier ripped off his gloves and tried to close the hole with them, his hands froze instantly and "chips of flesh broke off his fingers as they caught on the jagged edges of the plastic."
   On the bomb run, Rooney noticed that the navigator was having trouble with his oxygen supply. Suddenly the man turned purple and his head dropped on top of his gun. With the help of the bombardier, Rooney fitted the mask to the man's face. Then, as he went up to the flight deck for some emergency equipment, Rooney mistakenly unhooked his own mask and began to lose his legs. "Lt. Casey almost yawned at what I was sure was a major crisis of my life. He fixed me up with oxygen and the remainder of my brief first glimpse at the war was from the pit behind the pilot."
   
Miller, Donald L. (2006). Masters of the air. pg 114-116.

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   While Rooney and some other reporters were waiting in front of a control tower for a squadron of bombers to return, word spread that a ball turret gunner was trapped in his plastic bubble underneath the plane. "The gears that rotated the ball to put the gunner in position to shoot and then return him to the position that enabled him to climb out and back up into the aircraft had been hit and were jammed. The ball-turret gunner was caught in a plastic cage."
   Just before landing, the Fortress's hydraulic system, which was riddled with shell holes, malfunctioned making it impossible for the pilot to put down the wheels. The emergency hand crank for operating the main landing gear has also been destroyed by enemy fire. The pilot would have to make a belly landing. "There were eight minutes of gut-wrenching talk among the tower, the pilot, and the man trapped in the ball turret. He knew what comes down first when there are no wheels. We all watched in horror as it happened. We watched as this man's life ended, mashed between the concrete pavement of the runway and the belly of the bomber."
   Rooney returned to London that evening, unable to write the most dramatic and ghastly story he had ever witnessed.

Miller, Donald L. (2006). Masters of the air. pg 121-122.

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« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2015, 10:30:51 AM »
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Death:    Jan. 3, 1943

Technical Sergeant Arizona T. Harris was the top turret gunner of a B-17 "Sons of Fury," flying against the Nazis during World War II. During his mission to St. Nazaire, France, on 1/3/43, his plane was shot down by FW-190 fighters on the return flight, and was forced to "ditch" or crash land in water, in the English Channel.

Four of Harris' crew had exited the plane by parachute and were freeing themselves from the nylon chutes in the water, when Harris noticed that the FW-190 that had shot them down was strafing the water with machine-gun fire in an attempt to kill the downed airmen.

At the cost of his own life, Harris stayed in the top turret of the bomber as it sank, continuing to fire his machine guns at the German plane to keep it at bay and to give his friends a chance to survive. It is said that his machine guns didn't stop firing until the plane was completely submerged and he had drowned.

It is thought that the movie and novel "12 O'Clock High" drew inspiration from Harris' story for the character of Sgt. McIllhenny, who dies in a similar fashion in the novel.

For his selfless act, he received the Distinguished Service Cross.
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Re: Andy Rooney
« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2015, 10:59:23 AM »
And yet he told the story of the poor gunner stuck in the ball of the B-17 with the hydraulic failure that couldn't get it's gear down.


The B-17 has electric landing gear.

We had a long debate on this on another forum trying to find something to support this story.  We never did nail it down, but as proof it happened I came across an entry in a book based on the diary of a ball turret gunner that specifically mentioned a ball turret gunner dying in those circumstances in on of the diary entries from 1944.   

Certainly there were plenty of belly landings by 17s that couldn't get thier gear down.  Procedure was to dump the ball turret first if possible as the landing on the ball turret crushed it and tended to drive the frame that held it up through to top of the 17 breaking it's back.

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Re: Andy Rooney
« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2015, 11:34:14 AM »
There's also photos on the net of a b17 landing with a jammed ball turret and the gunner in the turret.

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Re: Andy Rooney
« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2015, 11:40:35 AM »
We had a long debate on this on another forum trying to find something to support this story.  We never did nail it down, but as proof it happened I came across an entry in a book based on the diary of a ball turret gunner that specifically mentioned a ball turret gunner dying in those circumstances in on of the diary entries from 1944.   

Certainly there were plenty of belly landings by 17s that couldn't get thier gear down.  Procedure was to dump the ball turret first if possible as the landing on the ball turret crushed it and tended to drive the frame that held it up through to top of the 17 breaking it's back.
One thing about the crushed gunner, this sure doesn't seem like something the US Army would have had an interest in publicizing. As it was, the ball turret was everybody's least favorite place at the time. I got the impression that Andy Rooney couldn't write about this story because he was told he couldn't write about this story.
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Re: Andy Rooney
« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2015, 12:38:56 PM »
There's also photos on the net of a b17 landing with a jammed ball turret and the gunner in the turret.

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I posted that image :).  You found the discussion I was referring to :aok
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« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2015, 12:41:40 PM »


Btw Arizona Harris is most definately the inspiration for the character in 12 O'Clock High.  All the events in Bishops 17 that crash lands. And other events in the book are from actual events as well.
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