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Offline JOACH1M

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Highly considering...
« on: July 02, 2015, 12:02:13 AM »
Joining the Air Force or going into the navy. With my privates pilots licenses, and being in decent shape (could be better) and Very good grade and ACT score, I'd love to be a pilot. It has always been my dream to fly in the military and honestly being only 20 I don't see why not try.

If anyone has any information, tips, or anything useful to contribute feel free to post. :) I will talk to a recruiter in the next 2 weeks.
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Offline hgtonyvi

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Re: Highly considering...
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2015, 12:09:27 AM »
Good luck buddy. I wish you all the best.

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Re: Highly considering...
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2015, 12:14:26 AM »
Do you have a college degree? 



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Re: Highly considering...
« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2015, 12:20:30 AM »
Do you have a college degree?
i currently am eligible for associates degree in heavy equipment and technology at Ferris state University.

I'm currently pursuing a 4 year degree in that field, have 2 years down, 2 to go.
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Re: Highly considering...
« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2015, 12:28:15 AM »
Good luck buddy. I wish you all the best.
thank you  :salute
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Re: Highly considering...
« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2015, 12:42:07 AM »
talk to a recruiter.  just remember one thing, his job is to get you to sign up so dont trust him :).



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Re: Highly considering...
« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2015, 01:06:38 AM »
I suggest finishing college and getting your Bachelor's degree. Once getting this and joining the Air Force you automatically will be an officer because of your degree and college education, and since only officers can be pilots this gives you a head start.
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Re: Highly considering...
« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2015, 01:26:17 AM »
talk to a recruiter.  just remember one thing, his job is to get you to sign up so dont trust him :).



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Semp is right for once. Some just want to generate numbers. Finish your degree like Anarchy suggested but definitely seek advice from someone who's already an AF pilot.

And aren't you too tall to be a pilot?  :bolt:

Offline JimmyC

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Re: Highly considering...
« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2015, 05:23:17 AM »
you should talk to Serenity,
hes in training with the navy flying..he`ll know shed loads mate
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Offline JOACH1M

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Re: Highly considering...
« Reply #9 on: July 02, 2015, 05:27:59 AM »
I suggest finishing college and getting your Bachelor's degree. Once getting this and joining the Air Force you automatically will be an officer because of your degree and college education, and since only officers can be pilots this gives you a head start.
true, but I know they can pay for college and stuff like that which could be very nice!

And aren't you too tall to be a pilot?  :bolt:
:)  :rofl
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Re: Highly considering...
« Reply #10 on: July 02, 2015, 07:03:51 AM »
- Must have a bachelor's degree
- To be competitive you must get A's in math classes up to Calculus and Physics
- Enroll in either Air Force or Navy ROTC. With shrinking pool of pilots this is your best route.
- Look for extra curricular accomplishments. You're to old to be an Eagle Scout though things like this. Join the Civil Air Patrol.
- Get into top notch physical shape.
- Consider flying AH-64's in the Army. Officers require bachelor degree though most pilots are Warrant Officers, which does not require a Bachelors.
- Hurry! All things being equal, the military will take a 21 year old out of college over a 25 year old. A friend of mine is a Colonel over an Air Force Fighter wing flying F-16s. He is in excellent shape but notes flying fighters is "a young man's game." And he has a hard time keeping up. At 25 the military gets 4 less years of peak performance.
- Unless it's changed the age cutoff is 26 1/2 years if age to be pinned a pilot. That means your Bachelors degree, OCS and 2 years of flight training must be completed. Reverse engineer that to set dates. You don't have a lot of rubber room to screw around.
- What is your ACT score?

If you have other questions let me know.

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Re: Highly considering...
« Reply #11 on: July 02, 2015, 07:15:33 AM »
PS When you take the entrance exams they have sections about aviation history. Again, all things being equal, they want aviation geeks over random, smart people. Read up on general aviation history.

Finally, find and prepare for these tests. Take them very serious, they are important. You score a 35 on the ACT yet blow these aviation tests you'll end up being a staff officer chasing paperwork.

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Re: Highly considering...
« Reply #12 on: July 02, 2015, 08:54:43 AM »
Don't talk to a recruiter.  He'll convince you to quit college and enlist, so you can finish college with the military paying the tuition, and then become an officer.

Don't do it.  Many try this and end up in an enlisted career field that gives them almost zero time to finish the degree, then they're too old to get commissioned or go to pilot training.

Finish school (ROTC is a good deal if you can get into the 2 year program) and join up as an officer.  In the USAF only officers are pilots.  In the Army you can get a commission as a warrant officer and fly helicopters but I don't know how that works.  I do know that recruiters have quotas and many of them will try to sell you "true but unlikely" scenarios in order to get you to fill their quota that day.
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Re: Highly considering...
« Reply #13 on: July 02, 2015, 09:13:26 AM »
I like how Semp's advice was basically, "do this but don't really trust any information you get from it".  lol

I'd listen to Eagl for obvious reasons.  FWIW, I was told pretty much the same thing by a guy a trusted when I was in your shoes.  I took another path and things worked out, but when I look up and see jets above me I sometimes wanna kick myself.   :old:
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Re: Highly considering...
« Reply #14 on: July 02, 2015, 10:07:16 AM »
To be clear, I have nothing against going enlisted in the military.  I work with a lot of very talented and motivated enlisted airmen/NCOs who are damn good at what they do and many of them seem quite satisfied with their career choice.  However if the goal is to be a pilot, that path in the USAF doesn't go through the enlisted ranks.  Pilots who are prior enlisted face significant additional challenges both before they even get to pilot training, and with career management afterwards due to their age and time in service. 

As for enlisting in the Navy, Army, Marines...  If that's what you want to do then by all means go for it.  The military is in turmoil right now due to constant shifting and thrashing from senior leadership from "hey we have too many lets kick some out", full swing to "hey we don't have enough, lets do what we can to not let people leave", with really bizarre policies constantly oming down the pipe.  Like one year they brought back a whole bunch of retired Lt Cols pilots to go back into flying jobs, and the very next year they involuntarily separated (with ZERO retirement!) a bunch of 14-15 year majors.  Utter incompetence and indecision rules the personnel office today.  So yea, turmoil in the services is a mild way of saying it.

HOWEVER, there are some things in life that you can only do in the military.  If the thing you want to do can only be done in the military, then please join up.  We need people in the ranks who are motivated about serving and dedicated to staying in and doing it right.  In spite of all the weirdness going on now, I've had a great 25 years wearing the uniform and I'm not done yet.  I've done and seen things that most people can only dream of, travelled around the world, etc etc.  Most people have to pay money to do the things that I get paid for.  Few careers offer that kind of opportunity.  So yea, if you really want to be in the military, go for it.  Just do it with your eyes open and have a clearly defined path from where you are to where you want to be.  Don't deviate from that path or you'll probably never get back on it.  If you want to be a pilot, you need a degree, a commission, a medical clearance, selection for UPT, graduation from UPT, and graduation from initial mission qualification training in a formal training unit.  Some of those steps are competitive so you have to be better than the others who are trying to do the same thing.  And you can be bumped out of line at any of those steps by a number of issues, whether they're self-induced (like getting a DUI or something dumb), or totally out of your control like getting a brain tumor or something. 

If you can make it through though, there's no other job like it.  And that's true for any of the selective specialties in each of the services.  Find the path to get what you want, and stay on that path no matter what.

Finally, even though you've done some college, don't discount the service academies.  It doesn't hurt to inquire about the application process and older cadets with some college experience are often at a slight advantage over younger cadets coming straight out of high school.  If you do apply for the academy however, take the time to submit a good enthusiastic application package and approach the interviews (liaison officer and congressional rep at a minimum) with great enthusiasm.  If you don't seem dedicated to going to the academy, they'll pick someone who is.

The USAF academy sends the most 2Lts to pilot training out of all the commissioning sources.  In some years, 100% of medically qualified academy grads are offered a pilot training slot.  Even in the bad years, more academy grads go (as a percentage of the eligible officers) than any other source.  That's the best chance of getting selected, and that's why I fought to get into the USAF academy.  Took me 2 years to get in but it was worth it.
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