Turn and Burners

[caldera]

Imo: If a guy become the No 1 fighter pilot lying only the P-40 i will name him/her the best pilot in the game. P-40 are good BnZ:er but need friends in the area to survive.

The P-40 is a barely adequate BnZer for maybe two passes and that's it.  It's really far too underpowered for that role.  Also, parts come off at speed, much sooner than you would expect.  It is nicely maneuverable, but can't be called a good plane by any definition.  That doesn't mean you need to hold hands to kick some ass.

By the way, surviving means you aren't fighting hard enough.
 

[Aspen]

Old AH: Turning = good

New AH: Turning = dumb


Trying to out turn a plane that turns better was a pretty popular pass time.  I wonder what the average airspeed is now compared to 10 years ago?  And yes, we did walk uphill in the snow to and from school 

[Reaper90]

Brewsters and Wildcats in a dive can be really dangerous even to faster planes. And yes - most of the time people are getting too low and slow and fails to look around them (and then complain when they die...)

A Brew, zeke, etc with several thousand feet of alt on you and you're anywhere near the deck and not at full speed, you may very well be in a heap of trouble.

I've killed more than a few LW monsters, LaLas, ponies, Temps, etc in an I-16 due to nothing more than having 5K of alt over their heads. If they can't dive away and can't out turn you, the fight is yours to lose and those are some nice fighter perks. 

[Guppy35]

I don't fly much these days but I've generally spent my flying time in the 38G.  It turns well and I like to get low and slow.  Doing that is not the best way to have a great K/D but it's great fun.

The other night after dying a bunch, I hopped in a 51 and promptly landed kills, which I rarely if ever do.  I got the usual attaboys and responded they didn't count as the 51 was cheating

So did the 51 make me a better cartoon pilot?  Nah.  I still suck.  But it shows that go fast, don't turn makes it easier to land kills and have a good K/D

The Myth of the slow turner is not a myth.  It isn't about K/D it's about the challenge of surviving when you don't hold all the cards.  The best sticks historically have been able to survive in turn and burn birds.  Doing the same in a later war  straight and skate bird is not a valid comparison.

[Zimme83]

Looked at my scores from my 2 week trial, 16-20 was my score in the 51D so apparently its not so har to be resonably succesful in it. I normaly only fly planes like the pony when going to a base were i know i will be outnumbered. Its fun to come in high and fast and zoom around knowing that noone can catch u. But it isnt much of a challenge.

With a slow turnfighter u are more in the hands of the opponent and often starts the fight at a disadvantage as the enemy are faster and/or higher. If u know how to gain E while dodging the BnZ attacks u can catch even K-4:s and Hogs, If u meet an average player. Its really hard to beat a good player in a good plane if u are a good player in a bad plane.

A Brew, zeke, etc with several thousand feet of alt on you and you're anywhere near the deck and not at full speed, you may very well be in a heap of trouble.

I've killed more than a few LW monsters, LaLas, ponies, Temps, etc in an I-16 due to nothing more than having 5K of alt over their heads. If they can't dive away and can't out turn you, the fight is yours to lose and those are some nice fighter perks. 

Zekes and Ki-43 isnt so dangerous if they are high since they dont handle high speed very well, FM2 and Brewsters can just point the nose straight down and force faster planes into a turn fight, its really fun to do. The Brewster is even better at handling high speed dives than spits and 109:s, atleast between 400-450mph so it can be really dangerous untill u level out, then its like hitting a brick wall so the timing has to be perfect when diving on a faster plane.

[glzsqd]

I love to see a P-40, knowing its an easy kill if he decides to figth, P-40 loose E so fast that anything can reverse the E stats and then having an easy kill.
Have tried the P-40:s, I really want to love them but... its a veryveryvery useless plane in the Ma. A lot of faster planes can outturn u too so u have no strenght at all to use.

You where says

[Zimme83]

Lol, bet that was not a 1 vs 1  And u see, even with one wing I can outturn u 

And Btw: How old is that? If its me it must be a very old pic, checked stats and i havent been killed by a P-40 in a Brew in atleast 6 months.

Edit 2: Actually; No P-40 has been awarded a kill on my Brewster ever...

[HL117]

Old AH: Turning = good

New AH: Turning = dumb


Trying to out turn a plane that turns better was a pretty popular pass time.  I wonder what the average airspeed is now compared to 10 years ago?  And yes, we did walk uphill in the snow to and from school 

What he said ^, and you get more action for your time spent in game burning and turning on the deck than you do sitting back at 10k cruising to the sound of Bannana Rama picking off the unaware that happen to be fighting someone else, think of all the time wasted to climb to Alt , just to climb back up, kind of boring to me <shrug> other not so much, real life yes we would all be happy with this safer  attitude.

 

[glzsqd]

Lol, bet that was not a 1 vs 1  And u see, even with one wing I can outturn u 

And Btw: How old is that? If its me it must be a very old pic, checked stats and i havent been killed by a P-40 in a Brew in atleast 6 months.

Edit 2: Actually; No P-40 has been awarded a kill on my Brewster ever...

Lol I like that a mere photo of the p40 of doom puts you on the defensive.

[Zimme83]

Point is...? U were apparently not the one credited with the kill so there must have been atleast one more con in the fight. And Of course u can kill stuff in a P-40, havent say u couldnt. The pic rather confirm what i said, it works as long as u have friendlies around so u can jump on cons that are lower and slower (and engaged in a fight with other planes) and then disengage to regain alt.

[glzsqd]

Lol please show me where I said that was you in the screenshot


Your correct, it was actually a 3v1 with me being the one. Killed 2(including the brewster) and the LALA ran to more friendlies.

[Zimme83]

  Just assumed since it is the skin i always use. But that explains it. Some noob using my skin   

Were just a bit confused since i thought it was me but now it makes more sense. If u won a 1 vs 3 in a 40C then  . That is hard.

[BaldEagl]

It's really very simple.  You can't get away.

No matter what you run into in terms of airframes, fighting styles or numbers you're going to have to fight your way out and in the MA numbers are what generally do you in.

That said, a good pilot with good SA can do serious damage before his luck runs out and it's some of the most fun flying in the game.  The reputation is well deserved despite the numbers.

[Lusche]

The main game of real 'turners' in AH has always been mostly in furballs and in defenses vs CVs close to shore. Both are environments where you can find enemies getting low and slow enough to play with them even in something as slow as a Hurri I.

CV battles are still there, but the classic furballs had a massive decline over the years (for various reasons. And no my younger friends, a base capture that doesn't succeed within 5 minutes is still not a "furball")

As both he number of players in a specific battle went down as well as the overall MA speeds went up because of changing environment, the pure turners are becoming a less viable choice.

Back in the day there were tours I was occasionally using planes like the BF109F or even the Hurricane I as a prime ride for a tour or so. For example tour 92, when I got 300 kills in the Hurricane I.
There would be no way to pull that off again these days. With so few players in my timezone on such large map, enemy airborne targets mostly consist of high bombers and single fast town smashing jabos & field porkers.

Finally, I'd like to point out that even the use of the dreaded Spit 16 has been significantly going down over the past 6 years. For years it was competing with the Pony for the #1 spot.
In the current tour, for example, the top 3 killers are P-51D, La-7, Fw 190D.

[DmonSlyr]

Finally, I'd like to point out that even the use of the dreaded Spit 16 has been significantly going down over the past 6 years. For years it was competing with the Pony for the #1 spot.
In the current tour, for example, the top 3 killers are P-51D, La-7, Fw 190D.

All planes that can easily extend away from trouble in case of emergency.