White teenager shot in back

[Rich46yo]

There is a huge difference between the Ferguson / Baltimore rioters and the Boston Tea Party.  HUGE difference...

Of course, but it sounded good. Never underestimate the ability of some people to legitimize what is clearly Lawless behavior. Ha ha ha ha, The "Boston Tea Party"?

From here I guess this kid was heading to the harbor to protest all his over-taxation and Po-Po taking over his crib to lay their heads down and steal from his people.

More overtaxed people tossing tea into the sea...I mean pickup.

[DmonSlyr]

Of course, but it sounded good. Never underestimate the ability of some people to legitimize what is clearly Lawless behavior. Ha ha ha ha, The "Boston Tea Party"?

From here I guess this kid was heading to the harbor to protest all his over-taxation and Po-Po taking over his crib to lay their heads down and steal from his people.

More overtaxed people tossing tea into the sea...I mean pickup.

Wow I've never seen that first video before but that dude thought he was just too damn big and bad for nothing to happen to him. Looks like a real thug to me.

What those people did to that guys store was insane.

Changeup had a pretty meme with the picture of him after they louted his store.

Those people are savages.

[craz07]

what i can't understand is why they are looting and rioting after the robber, officer assaulter, was shot and killed, Ferguson is a dumb city probably be looking like detroit soon enough...

[craz07]

lol pickup says rich lol

[SysError]

Police in South Carolina have shot a white unarmed teen in the back during a pot bust.
I presume there will follow public outrage and rioting.

Or not

I would guess that this, to some degree I hope, helps answer your question.


Justice Department Will Investigate Zachary Hammond's Police Shooting Death

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[Rich46yo]

Well it all went to hell when the first big settlement was handed out. Many of these encounters are started by people who want to force a violent encounter with police, catch a few cracks "filmed of course", and an easy $10 K settlement to quickly follow just to get the footage off of you tube.

The other night we had large groups of yutes throwing rocks at the cars and I saw some of them running around with their cell phones attached to one of these http://www.abt.com/product/85568/ProMaster-PRO6168.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium=sc&utm_campaign=PRO6168&camptype=cpcGooglePLA&kwid=productads-plaid^169455101284-sku^85568-adType^PLA-device^c-adid^77416723924 Its reached the point of insanity.

Now theres only two ways to get 20yos to stop throwing rocks at your car. Get out and make them wish they didnt even know what a rock was or drive away. So if you do the first then who knows how much tax payer $$ will be given away by stupid juries? Let alone getting fired when the video goes viral.

So if it aint your car and it aint your 'hood then why get your blood pressure up? Feel me?

Thats what its come to.

[Triton28]

Again I ask, who asked those guys to show up armed to keep the peace?

I don't know.  I'd assume the property owners would have told them to move along if they didn't want them to be there.  Of course, they could have been standing on the sidewalk, in which case I'd imagine it wouldn't matter.

If I make a decision to go to some other neighborhood with my AR-15 with a bullet proof vest and my AR equipped like I think I'm some sort of combat commando, how do you know or the police know what my intentions are?

 
You'd probably wanna go talk to one of the cops in sight if you were going to do that.  I'd imagine there was some conversation with the police.

How would that not be seen as provocative?  What gives me the right to take the law into my own hands?  Defending my home I get.  Deciding to "defend" someone else's home without checking with the police or the homeowner to me is crossing the line.

It's only crossing the line because the guys in the article were white, which is... ummm... well, you know.   

FWIW, one of the protesters in one of the articles was eluding to that fact, and even asked how come the 2nd Amendment didn't apply to them.  I'm of the opinion that there would have been much less in the way of violence the first go round if there had been more community members armed and ready to protect their property.  Oh, and the cops might have helped out a bit too. 

[Triton28]

I never said that these guys are racist.  Now, as I understand it, they have a membership of around 30,000.  Within that population I would not be surprised if there were some, but I have no reason to a priori paint the entire group with that brush.  (BTW, and this may go to a point closer to yours, I would not be surprised if there was a high degree of tolerance for such people within the group.  I may be wrong.)

lol... why?  Unless you know more than I do about them, you're just projecting some sort of prejudice you picked up along the way.

What is clear, however, is that they are maneuvering within a volatile environment where racial prejudices (whether conscious or unconscious) are a significant factor in bringing significant risk to life, liberty and property.

Like I eluded to earlier, there was actually less violence with their presence.  On the surface it appears it actually may have prevented property damage and crime. 

When they freely roam the streets with exposed armaments which (and here I’m going to lose a whole bunch of you guys) to the general population appear to be instruments of violence teleported in from some far off distant savage conflict, it is not unreasonable for people to feel and express a strong concern.  And when they freely roam the streets unchallenged while local residents of the community are swiftly and forcible pounced upon based on nothing more than an anonymous tip at a police station, a strong sense of concern easily transforms into a sense of alarm and perhaps fear or terror.

Freely roaming the streets unchallenged sounds familiar... kinda like a... RIOT!  And looting!   

As for the guys just standing there who were searched or whatever because of the anonymous tip... I don't know where you're going with this.  Did the Oath Keepers make the phony call to prank these guys?  It would seem to me that mass demonstrations like this, in an area that was recently ravaged because of social unrest, this sort of thing probably happens more than normal.  I wouldn't like it either if I were the one searched for no reason, but unfortunately there's little you can do except not be standing where the cops are going to look at you. 

A failure in civic agency does not dictate that we should turn to a Thunderdome theory of justice.

They are not helping.  They are inflaming the situation.  They need to go home.

Thunderdome is pure hyperbole.  I'd agree with you if they were out making citizens arrests and rummaging through refrigerators, but as it was they came (I suppose anyway from the articles) to help keep a lid on violence and it appears they might have helped do that.   

[ink]

I am more a Patriot than most.  I am a ][][][%er and I understand what you are trying to say, Ink, however I refuse to believe the rioters and looters are trying to do anything patriotic for the good of the country and an American way of life.

I am against big government. 

The Boston Tea Party was about oppressive and over taxing government.  Taxation without representation. They rose against a tyrannical government.

Law enforcement isn't collecting the King's taxes and they are not taking up residence in the people's quarters.

There is a huge difference between the Ferguson / Baltimore rioters and the Boston Tea Party.  HUGE difference...

I am gonna say this nice and slow so you who are heard headed can understand....

not that you will....because you guys of course know it all and back one of the most crooked governments to ever exist.



after hundreds of years of rape murder and abuse....people have had enough....they are pissed...

they have no clue how to express that anger...or what to do to change the way they are treated.....

if you cant see the condition of this country is straight in the toilet...you are blind.


and if you think the Tea party was only about taxation.......


you probably think Christopher Columbus was a great man.



here drink some more koolaid.

[SysError]

Correct, I owned 2 "class III" firearms. It's a matter of a $200 tax stamp, and being cleared by your local LEO to be able to own it (form 4)It must be a transferable gun (built pre 1986 if your a non FFL lic. Holder)
You must also have the paperwork available for inspection by any Fed or state LEO upon request.  Ie if you go to the range the paperwork goes with you.

Making the AR full auto isn't all that easy , it's the matter of a sear change, bolt carrier and disconnector. Thing is guns post 1986 are near impossible to do it to, and the above parts I've mentioned are all Class 3 components. Look to spend in the 5 digits range if you want to get into the full auto game.


Edit......Corrected should have said owned....have a mortgage wife and twins now.....they were sold when the kids were born for a hefty down payment on a house.

I am sorry, sometimes I am a little slow. Just so that I understand, you are saying that under certain conditions a civilian can own a machine gun (something that fires off some number of bullets in a burst) if the gun was made before 1986 and that a licensed civilian can own any full auto gun.  Yes? No?

[Guppy35]

I don't know.  I'd assume the property owners would have told them to move along if they didn't want them to be there.  Of course, they could have been standing on the sidewalk, in which case I'd imagine it wouldn't matter.
 
You'd probably wanna go talk to one of the cops in sight if you were going to do that.  I'd imagine there was some conversation with the police.
It's only crossing the line because the guys in the article were white, which is... ummm... well, you know.   

FWIW, one of the protesters in one of the articles was eluding to that fact, and even asked how come the 2nd Amendment didn't apply to them.  I'm of the opinion that there would have been much less in the way of violence the first go round if there had been more community members armed and ready to protect their property.  Oh, and the cops might have helped out a bit too.

For me them showing up armed is the issue.  It was just as Stupid for the Black Panthers to show up in Waller Texas two days ago exercising thier right to open carry with thier assault rifles.  "Legally" they were within thier rights.  That doesn't make it any less idiotic.

Are you just as supportive of them in that situation?  My understanding the police response was a lot different to them than it was in Ferguson to the Oath Keepers. That probably had nothing to do with race either

If the suggestion here is we will be a better country if we all carry guns, then we are truly screwed.

Are you just as ok with that?

[Changeup]

I am sorry, sometimes I am a little slow. Just so that I understand, you are saying that under certain conditions a civilian can own a machine gun (something that fires off some number of bullets in a burst) if the gun was made before 1986 and that a licensed civilian can own any full auto gun.  Yes? No?

Yes and fully suppressed as well and you can hunt with it in Texas.  Thought I'd throw that into the discussion.

I found a fully automatic, fully suppressed HK MP5 here in Dallas for 34,000.00.  Not in my price range but legal.

Edit:  here is one in FL.  http://www.avguns.com/class3/machine_guns/mp5-subgun-suppressed-package.html

[Changeup]

For me them showing up armed is the issue.  It was just as Stupid for the Black Panthers to show up in Waller Texas two days ago exercising thier right to open carry with thier assault rifles.  "Legally" they were within thier rights.  That doesn't make it any less idiotic.

Are you just as supportive of them in that situation?  My understanding the police response was a lot different to them than it was in Ferguson to the Oath Keepers. That probably had nothing to do with race either

If the suggestion here is we will be a better country if we all carry guns, then we are truly screwed.

Are you just as ok with that?

How did you get from property owners allowing armed security to guard their property during possible riots to it would be a better country if we all carried guns?

[Triton28]

For me them showing up armed is the issue.  It was just as Stupid for the Black Panthers to show up in Waller Texas two days ago exercising thier right to open carry with thier assault rifles.  "Legally" they were within thier rights.  That doesn't make it any less idiotic.

Are you just as supportive of them in that situation?  My understanding the police response was a lot different to them than it was in Ferguson to the Oath Keepers. That probably had nothing to do with race either

If the suggestion here is we will be a better country if we all carry guns, then we are truly screwed.

Are you just as ok with that?

You'd think shouting, "No more pigs in our community" may have had something to do with a different reaction from the police... right outside of the jail.  


But honestly, no, I don't have any problem with that.  Even though in this case, the people with guns weren't really there to protect anything, they were there to protest and show force, but given that it was just a show and I'm not inherently afraid of a gun that isn't pointed at me, it's all good as long as everyone (to include the police) keeps their cool. 

That being said, your point is not lost on me.  If you're in the Oath Keepers or the Black Panthers and you take your gun to a rally or Ferguson or wherever, you accept the potential consequences if gunpowder and emotion mix.  But making that decision is up to the individual or group, not you or I.   

[SysError]

Yes and fully suppressed as well and you can hunt with it in Texas.  Thought I'd throw that into the discussion.

I found a fully automatic, fully suppressed HK MP5 here in Dallas for 34,000.00.  Not in my price range but legal.

Edit:  here is one in FL.  http://www.avguns.com/class3/machine_guns/mp5-subgun-suppressed-package.html

I did not know that.  I thought that they only went to the military and certain LEs.

Not sure why, but I used to think that the most civilians could get was a semi-auto with some sort spring assisted trigger.  At $34k maybe it is an issue of practical vs. possible.