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Offline Ripsnort

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Delta Airlines has a pilot training issue
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Re: Delta Airlines has a pilot training issue
« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2015, 09:57:18 AM »
Seems almost negligent in the safety of the passengers, to an extent.   
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Re: Delta Airlines has a pilot training issue
« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2015, 10:34:38 AM »
how you land a plane with a windshield cracked like that is beyond me...
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Re: Delta Airlines has a pilot training issue
« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2015, 10:46:54 AM »
Oh that'll buff right out.
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Re: Delta Airlines has a pilot training issue
« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2015, 10:53:53 AM »
I highly doubt it, give credit where credit is due...
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Re: Delta Airlines has a pilot training issue
« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2015, 11:52:40 AM »
how you land a plane with a windshield cracked like that is beyond me...
You can land these planes with out cockpit windows with out an issue these days. Set the GPS and it will fly the flight from take of to landing for you. given you keep the coordinates and such in the system
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Re: Delta Airlines has a pilot training issue
« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2015, 12:42:43 PM »
There is no reason to fly through a thunderstorm in peacetime. - Strategic Air Command
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Re: Delta Airlines has a pilot training issue
« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2015, 04:11:24 PM »
Delta needs to tell their pilots to fly AROUND big cells, not THROUGH them.  :eek:

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:airplane: Guys, you have to understand that sometimes, weaving in and around thunder storms, you can accidently run into a "hail shaft" and with the radar systems on board these days, he was, I guess, working his way through some storms.....as far as landing, with the "flight director" systems on board these days, it would be nothing to it.
I recall back in the late 60's, a Southern Airways DC-9 ran into a "hail shaft" and crash landed on hi-way 92 west of Atl and some of the people lived, although if I recall, there were a number of deaths on the ground as well as on board the aircraft.
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Re: Delta Airlines has a pilot training issue
« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2015, 07:48:05 PM »
how you land a plane with a windshield cracked like that is beyond me...

Modern planes have a nice feature called "Auto land". :

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Re: Delta Airlines has a pilot training issue
« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2015, 07:50:22 PM »
:airplane: Guys, you have to understand that sometimes, weaving in and around thunder storms, you can accidently run into a "hail shaft" and with the radar systems on board these days, he was, I guess, working his way through some storms.....as far as landing, with the "flight director" systems on board these days, it would be nothing to it.
I recall back in the late 60's, a Southern Airways DC-9 ran into a "hail shaft" and crash landed on hi-way 92 west of Atl and some of the people lived, although if I recall, there were a number of deaths on the ground as well as on board the aircraft.
http://www.aboutnorthgeorgia.com/ang/New_Hope_Church_plane_crash

The 60's did not have the technology we have today regarding weather. There is no excuse from a pilot perspective regarding weather unless it is in controlled airspace whereas that responsibility falls on the ATC tower since pilots are typically "head down" on land preps.

The pilot had one of two things on his mind;
"Fly through it with risk, land and get to the hotel and bang this flight attendant that dropped Viagra into my coffee"
or
"The company emphasis's using as little fuel as possible, I'll take the risk and make my log book fuel-usage look stellear"
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Re: Delta Airlines has a pilot training issue
« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2015, 07:57:44 AM »
I read online that China refused an emergency request to divert the flight around the cel into their airspace.
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Re: Delta Airlines has a pilot training issue
« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2015, 09:18:24 AM »
It's a good idea to (1) know what you are talking about, and (2) what the facts are before making judgemental statements.



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Re: Delta Airlines has a pilot training issue
« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2015, 09:27:33 AM »
It's a good idea to (1) know what you are talking about, and (2) what the facts are before making judgemental statements.

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Re: Delta Airlines has a pilot training issue
« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2015, 09:43:30 AM »
Just a comment on this thread, not "all" as you suggest.



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Re: Delta Airlines has a pilot training issue
« Reply #14 on: August 10, 2015, 09:44:55 AM »
The 60's did not have the technology we have today regarding weather. There is no excuse from a pilot perspective regarding weather unless it is in controlled airspace whereas that responsibility falls on the ATC tower since pilots are typically "head down" on land preps.

The pilot had one of two things on his mind;
"Fly through it with risk, land and get to the hotel and bang this flight attendant that dropped Viagra into my coffee"
or
"The company emphasis's using as little fuel as possible, I'll take the risk and make my log book fuel-usage look stellear"

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Nah ... I think it's a uneducated coffee machine statement. Despite the technology available it's not always easy to go around cells. Stay away from the red stuff is not always clear cut. When you have a 80 miles wide storm front you navigate the best through it IF you have the freedom to do so. The closer you are from the airport, the less freedom you have. Can't miss that entry gate, or deviate too much from other segments of the SID/STAR/App, especially in busy cardiac hours launch/recovery class B airports in mountainous areas.

Then there's red stuff and red stuff. Some red cells are very dense rain, some hail and some crazy donut hail, but you don't know ahead of time. Satellite weather updates only every few minutes and fast moving fronts shift the image a couple, of miles.

It's easy for the common Joe or 'Super Pilot' to blame the pilot. The reality is they do the best they can with what they have. Flying is still trick stuff and you don't always win.

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