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Re: Free To Play with Subscription Combination
« Reply #30 on: August 12, 2015, 03:15:27 PM »
Free turns into interest which is special to the person selling the interesting thing.
This...personally I love the F2P model. I've got 5-6 games I tend to rotate around pretty frequently. Once I get burned out on one, I'll move to another for a while, etc. If I know I'll be playing a particular game for X amount of time, I don't mind "upgrading" my account to whatever premium service the company offers, because it makes my time on their game more enjoyable.

In my opinion a full F2P model would never work with the way this game is designed (an overhaul would be needed), however as previously mentioned, something like only the Training Arena and Early War being available would be sufficient. It allows people to check out the game and participate in combat while not totally disrupting gameplay in the main arena (until they fully understand the game).
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Re: Free To Play with Subscription Combination
« Reply #31 on: August 12, 2015, 05:21:54 PM »
 I think the 2 weeks should be extended to about a month!

    However I'm not sure how best to do this,a whole month everything available or 2 weeks everything and 2 weeks restricted to TA/DA and possibly the AvA.

  I think 2 weeks isnt enough to "keep" players long enough to subscribe,but it's not my game and I dont have all the facts.


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Re: Free To Play with Subscription Combination
« Reply #32 on: August 12, 2015, 05:49:32 PM »
And they get all that and much more with a free 2 week trial that does not even require a credit card.  I'm at a complete loss, after reading this entire thread, what the OP wish would accomplish that the free 2 week subscription that doesn't even require a credit card, doesn't accomplish.  Is the 2 weeks not enough?  I think it's plenty.  If this game doesn't addict you in 2 weeks then maybe it's just not for you.  I want it to be for you, I too want new players but again, I think we have a great system in place now that does this.

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Re: Free To Play with Subscription Combination
« Reply #33 on: August 12, 2015, 06:07:49 PM »
FWIW, I recently got a friend from Falcon BMS over to download the game and fly a few sorties with me. While he enjoyed the game and air combat immensely, his opinion was that the $15 /month subscription model was an outdated pricing model and he would never personally pay that much for any extended period of time.

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Re: Free To Play with Subscription Combination
« Reply #34 on: August 13, 2015, 02:54:10 PM »
Unless I'm mistaken, Falcon BMS is free after you purchase Falcon 4.0. Then the game development has been taken over by players. So yes, your friend would be biased against paying a subscription when he has an FTP maintained by players after MicroProse gave up the business.

All of this still reads like people trying to get Hitech to make an FTP so they can stop paying a subscription.
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Re: Free To Play with Subscription Combination
« Reply #35 on: August 13, 2015, 03:24:59 PM »
All of this still reads like people trying to get Hitech to make an FTP so they can stop paying a subscription.

Damn it... you got me.  I've secretly wanted to fly a 205 for free since I was a wee lad.   :rolleyes:
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Re: Free To Play with Subscription Combination
« Reply #36 on: August 14, 2015, 04:14:38 AM »
Howabout, TA for 2 weeks, first and only; then, everything (EW, MW, LW, . . . etc., for 2 weeks: then subscribe.

Total freebie; one month.

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Re: Free To Play with Subscription Combination
« Reply #37 on: August 14, 2015, 08:32:50 AM »
Unless I'm mistaken, Falcon BMS is free after you purchase Falcon 4.0. Then the game development has been taken over by players. So yes, your friend would be biased against paying a subscription when he has an FTP maintained by players after MicroProse gave up the business.

All of this still reads like people trying to get Hitech to make an FTP so they can stop paying a subscription.

I think the point people are trying to make here isn't "I want to stop paying my subscription and fly my P-51D for free!" It's "There are so many other air combat games, and more specifically WW2 flight sim games, out there today that are either F2P, have a F2P aspect, or are a 1 time purchase why would any new players pay the sub for AH2 when there are all these cheaper options out there?"

No one here has said that they want the game to go F2P so they can fly their favorite plane without paying $15 a month. Our concerns are that the game is going to die because of the $15 a month subscription. New players get 2 weeks to try the game out and see if they like it and then that's it. They have to pay a subscription each month to keep playing. Only the most hardcore of WW2 buffs who can see the potential of AH2 will probably pay the sub. The casual gamer though that just wants to fly around and shoot stuff probably won't, and why would they? They could go get any one of the Il2 games for a 1 time purchase. They could get War Thunder for free. They can get DCS for free and buy the specific plane that they want for a 1 time purchase, and this game I have been playing a lot recently and have found to be just as fun (even more fun is some ways) as AH2.

The question people are asking here is whether or not a subscription based game is going to work anymore in this day and age where everything else is F2P or has F2P aspects.

Just as 1 example, Planetside 2. This game is an MMO kind of similar to AH2 in some ways and it's 100% F2P. You can download it and get all the content in the game without having to spend a dime. However the game does have a subscription aspect to it. If you like the game enough then you can become a subscriber and get some perks such as double XP on the last weekend of each month, special daily sales that give you a discount on all items in game, and several other perks that F2P players just don't get and won't get unless they subscribe as well. AH2 could do this, just not as extreme I think. Let F2P players have access to some of the higher ENY planes (P-40C and E, i-16, Pnzr 4F, B-25) and if they like the game and want to fly some of their favorite planes (P-51D, B-17, Tiger, etc) then they can start a subscription.


Of course, at the end of the day this is HT's game and he will decide on what AH2 is going to do. We're just having a discussion and throwing out possibilities for the game here.

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Re: Free To Play with Subscription Combination
« Reply #38 on: August 14, 2015, 09:46:59 AM »
Howabout, TA for 2 weeks, first and only; then, everything (EW, MW, LW, . . . etc., for 2 weeks: then subscribe.

Total freebie; one month.

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Sounds nice, but wouldn't be a good thing for recruiting new players. You gotta hook them pretty quick, make them interested in the gameplay and its possibilities.
Limiting new players to the TA (which is actually empty most of the time) where they can do about nothing but flying around the scenery for full two weeks will make about no one hook up.
Who will wait for two more weeks to see if there's actually more to this, or sign up immediately without knowing what the game is really about?
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Re: Free To Play with Subscription Combination
« Reply #39 on: August 14, 2015, 11:18:54 AM »
My WAG on this is there are three types come to ah.  The first has some sort of interst tied to aviation, tanks and or the ww2.  the second is a gamer.  The third is someone that stumbled onto a ww2 simulation type game.

The first one is easy to catch if money is not an issue.  The gamer is looking for action and more interested in winning and that is not easy to in ah.  The third is just a rare catch.

All of that being said,  the monthly payment probably is the biggest wall to get over.  As I have posted before, though, the monthly payment does filter out some of the unwanted.

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Re: Free To Play with Subscription Combination
« Reply #40 on: August 14, 2015, 12:59:24 PM »
My WAG on this is there are three types come to ah.  The first has some sort of interst tied to aviation, tanks and or the ww2.  the second is a gamer.  The third is someone that stumbled onto a ww2 simulation type game.

The first one is easy to catch if money is not an issue.  The gamer is looking for action and more interested in winning and that is not easy to in ah.  The third is just a rare catch.

All of that being said,  the monthly payment probably is the biggest wall to get over.  As I have posted before, though, the monthly payment does filter out some of the unwanted.

There are 3 types of people that come in to my Motorcycle store:  Those that ave a bike or want another bike, those that have never had a bike but want one, and those that are truly just looking and don't want one.  To be blunt, if the price of the bike stops them from buying one, what business in their right mind would give them one for free?

If people don't want to pay to play this game, tough.
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Re: Free To Play with Subscription Combination
« Reply #41 on: August 14, 2015, 01:05:09 PM »
There are 3 types of people that come in to my Motorcycle store:  Those that ave a bike or want another bike, those that have never had a bike but want one, and those that are truly just looking and don't want one.  To be blunt, if the price of the bike stops them from buying one, what business in their right mind would give them one for free?

If people don't want to pay to play this game, tough.

Do you let people ride a bike if their interested in buying it?
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Re: Free To Play with Subscription Combination
« Reply #42 on: August 14, 2015, 01:29:17 PM »
Do you let people ride a bike if their interested in buying it?

Sure, but not for 2 weeks like HiTech does.  Nor do I give them a free one with fewer features to ride forever just in case some day they might want to buy a better one.
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« Reply #43 on: August 14, 2015, 01:44:34 PM »
Sure, but not for 2 weeks like HiTech does.  Nor do I give them a free one with fewer features to ride forever just in case some day they might want to buy a better one.

A two week test ride would be silly.  Giving them a moped to ride around till it breaks wouldn't make much sense either.  I asked because to me, the two week free trail in AH is a bit like you restricting a test ride to your medium sized parking lot.  There's not enough room to figure out if you really like it, unless you knew you really liked it before you got on.  See what I mean?
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Re: Free To Play with Subscription Combination
« Reply #44 on: August 14, 2015, 01:54:52 PM »
Read all the replies, applying my own spin on some of the other ideas here.

Training arena = free no sub
E-M-L War Arenas, 100 hours played time (combined) on a trial account.
DA (and the rest) - subscription req.
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