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Re: The minimum wage machine
« Reply #180 on: August 22, 2015, 10:59:48 AM »
People have been saying that since biblical times, but human lives and the human experience has only improved. There have been short lived setbacks like wars and plagues, but we've always come out stronger and better. Extreme poverty is dropping like never before and is at an all time low in the world now, and it's only getting better. The world economy has tripled the last 20 years, and most of this increase in wealth is in the developing world. We in the western countries have seen a roughly 50% increase in wealth. Globalization is driven by new communications (mostly the internet), new markets are emerging (and merging with the old as well). The world grows closer and moving towards monoculturalism (through the merging of cultures via global communications). There is an unprecedented wave of uprisings against oppression and people are getting rid of their outmoded regimes. This "growth" can be painful and is fought against by extremists who cling to the old ways, but they can only delay the inevitable.

The world is becoming a better place every day for so many people.


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this is even funnier then your "homeless" comment.

oh ya definitely the world is getting better...hell in some towns it is now illegal to be homeless and in many more it is illegal to feed them....  :rolleyes:


what you are seeing is a false peace being spread throughout the world....

a complacent slavery....

but hey you enjoy your "freedom" :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl



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Re: The minimum wage machine
« Reply #181 on: August 22, 2015, 11:30:00 AM »
Predator, what percentage of that growth actually ended up in the pockets of employees?

When will the lower class's lives improve significantly? I'll tell you the answer, under your systems, they never will. Because your view necessarily implies that they're just lazy, and most seem to take that to mean they should get whatever they get.

Nevermind that circumstances also play a part, as does chance. Nevermind that some people are inherently less capable than others.


Also I do hope you realize the irony of an ardent capitalist, and perhaps libertarian talking about "extremism", and clinging to the old ways.
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Re: The minimum wage machine
« Reply #182 on: August 22, 2015, 12:10:58 PM »
Predator, what percentage of that growth actually ended up in the pockets of employees?

Why should ANY end up in their pockets? It's a false premise to start with.

The employees AGREED to a certain wage; ergo, none of the growth money belongs to them. Who cares how much they contributed? They legally AGREED to earn what they do.

Your argument is entirely emotional.
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Re: The minimum wage machine
« Reply #183 on: August 22, 2015, 12:14:32 PM »
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Re: The minimum wage machine
« Reply #184 on: August 22, 2015, 12:21:22 PM »
Predator, what percentage of that growth actually ended up in the pockets of employees?

What percentage of my business do you think deserves to end up in your pocket?
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Re: The minimum wage machine
« Reply #185 on: August 22, 2015, 12:44:57 PM »
Predator, what percentage of that growth actually ended up in the pockets of employees?

When will the lower class's lives improve significantly?

Most of it in fact. In the developing world more people now have the opportunity to work and earn a living wage. As someone else pointed out, employee salaries is the largest expense for most companies.

Just look at China. 50 years ago their GDP barely registered on the world scale, and their people were starving to death by the millions under communist mismanagement. Then they became capitalist in the late 90s before they joined the World Trade Organization in 2001. Now China is the second largest economy in the world and its people are prospering. Chinese tourists are traveling all over the world and American and European companies consider China one of the most important markets for export.

This is China today and it was all made possible by the market economy and capitalism, in spite of socialism.


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Re: The minimum wage machine
« Reply #186 on: August 22, 2015, 01:23:58 PM »
Venezuela state under martial law against smugglers.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-34025800

After years of government wage and price controls people are smuggling food and gas into a country that has a national oil industry.

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Re: The minimum wage machine
« Reply #187 on: August 22, 2015, 01:33:21 PM »

I think his point may be that you brought some or most of this on yourself, and that other people ought not to have to pay for your mistakes.

Probably he could say it more eloquently.

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please do explain how other people paid for my mistakes?  I was not on welfare, food stamps or even medical.  I paid my taxes just like everybody else.  Paid my child support, car payment, insurance, gas....


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Re: The minimum wage machine
« Reply #188 on: August 22, 2015, 01:44:10 PM »
Why should ANY end up in their pockets? It's a false premise to start with.

The employees AGREED to a certain wage; ergo, none of the growth money belongs to them. Who cares how much they contributed? They legally AGREED to earn what they do.

Your argument is entirely emotional.

More. Not all of it, not most of it, not a dollar amount, not necessarily a percentage. Things don't simplify neatly in life.

But unless they had zero hand in creating it, they should certainly get more than zero benefit from it.

And they were in large measure forced to agree. Collective bargaining has largely been crippled by union busters, and the alternative is unemployment until you find someone willing to pay higher, or find another line of work. But to claim the employers did not have the advantage is a patent lie.
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Re: The minimum wage machine
« Reply #189 on: August 22, 2015, 01:49:43 PM »
More. Not all of it, not most of it, not a dollar amount, not necessarily a percentage. Things don't simplify neatly in life.

But unless they had zero hand in creating it, they should certainly get more than zero benefit from it.

And they were in large measure forced to agree. Collective bargaining has largely been crippled by union busters, and the alternative is unemployment until you find someone willing to pay higher, or find another line of work. But to claim the employers did not have the advantage is a patent lie.

You failed to address one single point or provide a single, logical reason to support your stance, but that's not surprising because there isn't a single, logical answer as to why they are entitled to someone else's earnings. It is nothing more than greed and envy, wanting more than what you agreed to; an entirely emotional stance from emotional people.

And I'm rolling with laughter at "forced to agree." No one forced anyone to do anything. If they don't like the job, they can find a different job or move elsewhere. "But my family is here!" Then you're making the choice to accept a job because of convenience to your family. "But there's no other XYZ jobs in my city!" Then move to a city that does have openings, or choose another industry. Simply put, the large, vast majority of those who can't find a job have failed at one of the most basic functions of life, whether it be in preparation, ability to perform, or execution.

Here is the REAL problem:

A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. -- Robert Heinlein

This is layman for what used to be known as the "Renaissance Man," the idea that a man should master multiple aspects of life, sports, and career capabilities; to be well-rounded and excel at everything, to be both a student and a teacher. College brats today want to specialize in one thing and make enough money to support non-important, frivolous lifestyles. Life does not work like that.
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Re: The minimum wage machine
« Reply #190 on: August 22, 2015, 02:50:58 PM »
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Re: The minimum wage machine
« Reply #191 on: August 22, 2015, 02:59:22 PM »
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Re: The minimum wage machine
« Reply #192 on: August 22, 2015, 03:05:36 PM »
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Re: The minimum wage machine
« Reply #193 on: August 22, 2015, 03:17:52 PM »
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Re: The minimum wage machine
« Reply #194 on: August 22, 2015, 03:28:36 PM »
skyyr the days when you got paid according to what you produced for the company are long gone.  I believed in them when I started back in the 80's and it was true back then, not anymore.


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