The minimum wage machine

[PR3D4TOR]

Well you cannot agree with a ghost then. The word is AMORAL.

So you're saying business is beyond morality; that it cannot be moral or immoral? Don't think I can agree to that either.

[PR3D4TOR]

Germany is an interesting country. Their business culture is similar to the Korean with large family run businesses, and workers who almost become part of the family. However, the German "model" is also dominated by a brutal top-down leadership style, and to become a part of the family you'll have to be devoted, loyal and very hard working.

An insight into German work culture:




Another interesting point about Germany is that until last year they didn't have any legislated minimum wage. They now have a minimum wage of 8.5 Euros/hour. Given the cost of living in Germany I do not think their minimum wage provides for a better living than the U.S. counterpart.

There are almost a million homeless people in Germany. About one percent of their population. There are more homeless people in Germany than in America, a country with four times their population.

[Lusche]

Germany is an interesting country. Their business culture is similar to the Korean with large family run businesses, and workers who almost become part of the family.

This picture is one of a distant past and never had been entirely true even back then.

There are almost a million homeless people in Germany. About one percent of their population. There are more homeless people in Germany than in America, a country with four times their population.

source?

[PR3D4TOR]

The first hit googling "homeless in germany":

http://www.share-international.org/archives/homelessness/hl-abGermany.htm

" Homelessness in Germany
The visible form of true poverty
by Andrea Bistrich

An analysis of how/why some 860,000 people are homeless in Germany, which like most nations, has no governmental structure to address this human rights problem. "


It may be outdated, I don't know.

[MiloMorai]

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/money_huge.png

[MiloMorai]

The first hit googling "homeless in germany":

http://www.share-international.org/archives/homelessness/hl-abGermany.htm

" Homelessness in Germany
The visible form of true poverty
by Andrea Bistrich

An analysis of how/why some 860,000 people are homeless in Germany, which like most nations, has no governmental structure to address this human rights problem. "


It may be outdated, I don't know.

850,000 is closer to 3/4 million than to one million

[Lusche]

The first hit googling "homeless in germany":

http://www.share-international.org/archives/homelessness/hl-abGermany.htm

" Homelessness in Germany
The visible form of true poverty
by Andrea Bistrich

An analysis of how/why some 860,000 people are homeless in Germany, which like most nations, has no governmental structure to address this human rights problem. "


It may be outdated, I don't know.

There is no comparison on the same terms with the USA in that.

[PR3D4TOR]

There is no comparison on the same terms with the USA in that.

From that article:

"Munich, Germany
They are known as "tramps", "winos", "hobos", "street people", "bums", or simply homeless. They are the poor within our rich society, unemployed and with no resources, living on the fringes. In official terms they are called "people in social distress" or more commonly "homeless". In the terms of social federal welfare laws they are classified as "people who roam with no secure form of income, singles without a home-address and regular employment capable of being taxed for social security, without a secured mode of existence and often without a sound relationship to either family or other community members.... people whose social problems prevent them from participating in community life."

Sounds pretty much like the universal description of homeless people to me.




From Wiki:

The U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development in January 2012 annual point-in-time count found that 633,782 people across America were homeless. With 2007 as a benchmark, the data from the report showed a 6.8 percent decline in homelessness among individuals, a 3.7 percent decline of homeless families, a 13.1 percent decline of the unsheltered homeless population, and a 19.3 percent decline in persons experiencing chronic homelessness.

[PR3D4TOR]

850,000 is closer to 3/4 million than to one million

I'm not playing fractions.

[Zimme83]

The first hit googling "homeless in germany":

http://www.share-international.org/archives/homelessness/hl-abGermany.htm

" Homelessness in Germany
The visible form of true poverty
by Andrea Bistrich

An analysis of how/why some 860,000 people are homeless in Germany, which like most nations, has no governmental structure to address this human rights problem. "


It may be outdated, I don't know.

Yes its outdated, seems to be around 350.000, and homless also doesnt mean living on the streets. u can be counted homeless if u are an adult living w your parents because u cannot find anywere to live. Its hard to come up w accurate figures, US for ex range from 610.000 to 3.5 million
http://www.nationalhomeless.org/factsheets/How_Many.html
https://www.homelessworldcup.org/homelessness-statistics/#europe

[PR3D4TOR]

Even if it is "only " 350.000, that's still twice as many as in America compared to the size of the population.

[Lusche]

From that article:

"Munich, Germany
They are known as "tramps", "winos", "hobos", "street people", "bums", or simply homeless. They are the poor within our rich society, unemployed and with no resources, living on the fringes. In official terms they are called "people in social distress" or more commonly "homeless". In the terms of social federal welfare laws they are classified as "people who roam with no secure form of income, singles without a home-address and regular employment capable of being taxed for social security, without a secured mode of existence and often without a sound relationship to either family or other community members.... people whose social problems prevent them from participating in community life."

Sounds pretty much like the universal description of homeless people to me.




From Wiki:

The U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development in January 2012 annual point-in-time count found that 633,782 people across America were homeless. With 2007 as a benchmark, the data from the report showed a 6.8 percent decline in homelessness among individuals, a 3.7 percent decline of homeless families, a 13.1 percent decline of the unsheltered homeless population, and a 19.3 percent decline in persons experiencing chronic homelessness.

Again, you are using two very different sources that can't be compared becausey may use different methods, definitions and possible different timeframes.

[PR3D4TOR]

Then provide a counter point.

In Zimme's article the definition was "In 2012, more than 284,000 people had nowhere to live, which is a 15% increase compared to 2010, and the numbers are expected to increase by an additional 30% to 380,000 by 2016."

To me "had nowhere to live" sounds like the American methodology: Count all the people who are literally homeless on a given day or during a given week (point-in-time counts).

[MiloMorai]

I'm not playing fractions.

be sure saying one million is more sensational than saying just over 3/4 million.

[PR3D4TOR]

Almost a million. And one hundred ten thousand is a bit more than "just over".