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Offline Zimme83

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Re: The minimum wage machine
« Reply #105 on: August 21, 2015, 06:55:06 AM »
And meassuring a single day isnt giving very accurate picture, a lot more people than those 633.000 are homeless in US.
http://www.homelesschildrenamerica.org/mediadocs/280.pdf 2.48 million kids experienced homlesness in 2013...
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Re: The minimum wage machine
« Reply #106 on: August 21, 2015, 06:59:00 AM »
See Rule #4
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Re: The minimum wage machine
« Reply #107 on: August 21, 2015, 07:06:01 AM »
I can see a lot of reasons for measuring during a longer time, there are not the same 633,000 people that are homeless all the time, There are a much larger group going in and out of homelessness. Look At Canada for ex. 235.000 people homeless during a year and around 35.000 at any given time, so apparently u can get "better" figures by measuring a shorter time. you comparison between Germany and US is totally irrelevant because of the reason Lusche already gave u.
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Re: The minimum wage machine
« Reply #108 on: August 21, 2015, 07:07:57 AM »
Apparently My views are not acceptable here. I'm out.
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Re: The minimum wage machine
« Reply #109 on: August 21, 2015, 07:14:19 AM »
Then provide a counter point.


You are twisting and turning all over this thread. Let's remember your initial claim

There are almost a million homeless people in Germany. About one percent of their population. There are more homeless people in Germany than in America, a country with four times their population.

You had not a single source actually supporting that. Now you had changed that to "relative to their size" - which may or may be not true, but it's now a very different claim.
For the record I wasn't making any claim in this thread whatsoever so I have nothing to prove yet ;)

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Re: The minimum wage machine
« Reply #110 on: August 21, 2015, 07:17:07 AM »

You are twisting and turning all over this thread. Let's remember your initial claim

You had not a single source actually supporting that. Now you had changed that to "relative to their size" - which may or may be not true, but it's now a very different claim.
For the record I wasn't making any claim in this thread whatsoever so I have nothing to prove yet ;)

You're mistaken. I provided (on request) a source that said "860,000 people are homeless in Germany" and a source that said "633,782 people across America were homeless."
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Re: The minimum wage machine
« Reply #111 on: August 21, 2015, 07:24:33 AM »
Yes, one from 1999...

And as we said, those two numbers arent comparable because we dont know if the measures were done in the same way.
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Re: The minimum wage machine
« Reply #112 on: August 21, 2015, 07:27:16 AM »
What percent of America is homeless?

    In the U.S., more than 3.5 million people experience homelessness each year. 35% of the homeless population are families with children, which is the fastest growing segment of the homeless population. 23% are U.S. military veterans.


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Re: The minimum wage machine
« Reply #113 on: August 21, 2015, 07:32:11 AM »
What percent of America is homeless?

    In the U.S., more than 3.5 million people experience homelessness each year. 35% of the homeless population are families with children, which is the fastest growing segment of the homeless population. 23% are U.S. military veterans.

as i said, u can use a figure from 630.000 to 3.5 million just depending on how u meassure. From the figures i would say 3.5 million people experience homelessness each year with ~630.000 homeless at any given time.

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Re: The minimum wage machine
« Reply #114 on: August 21, 2015, 08:25:57 AM »
What percent of America is homeless?

Population: 321 million. Homeless: 633,782. That's 0.197 %.

"Experience homelessness" is a meaningless metric. I bet every illegal immigrant "experience homelessness" at one point or another coming to America. The U.S. count of homeless people includes Mexicans and other non-U.S. citizens living on the streets. Does the German count include the estimated 170,000-300,000 Romani people without German citizenship living in tent camps all across their country? Other illegal immigrants? Somehow I don't think so...

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Re: The minimum wage machine
« Reply #115 on: August 21, 2015, 08:26:54 AM »
Zimme, I'm not arguing with you anymore. Not worth the aggravation. Live and let live buddy.
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Re: The minimum wage machine
« Reply #116 on: August 21, 2015, 08:39:32 AM »
Oh, and I've actually "experienced homelessness" myself! More than once I've had to sleep in my clothes at the airport like a bum because my flight got cancelled and all the hotels were booked in some toejamty tourist country somewhere.
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Re: The minimum wage machine
« Reply #117 on: August 21, 2015, 09:23:30 AM »
Doesn't matter how much you make, i hear about big shots  CEOs jumping out the windows every week .
Happiness is an inside mental atitude, doesn't matter how much money or debt you got; For a homless begger living on the streets the rest of us are slaves of ilussions; We come on this world naked ,screaming,full of dodo and we don't take anything after all this struggle, not even this material body.
Money won't buy you ticket to 4th dimension ,and the rest is worthless  material dust .
I like this social experiment;  this homeless guy worth more than all bilionares combined;
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Re: The minimum wage machine
« Reply #118 on: August 21, 2015, 09:23:45 AM »
If you are dead wrong if you think a person could "live" well with $7 an hour.

Even in GA, a person is going to have a hard life at $9 per hour. I couldn't imagine the rest of the United States. If I spend 8-10 hours of my life slaving for a store that makes 75,000-100K a DAY (just one store), and they can get away with paying a minimum wage. Something is incredibly wrong with that situation.


This is a very tough debate. Now we have Walmart coming out saying how they lost profits because of the raises they recently gave. However, that excuses the fact that they could have cut officer commissions by 2%, but gee golly, it would be such a shame if they made 45bil instead of 50 Bil each this year. Sigh.

IMO, people who own businesses like this are making the country weak by keeping people poor, keeping businesses from competing, while being able to use government assistance for their employees, which directly correlates with the exact opposite of what Capitalism was intended for.

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Re: The minimum wage machine
« Reply #119 on: August 21, 2015, 09:30:46 AM »
"Live well" is not required. "Live" is. If you want more get a better job or get two jobs. Better yet get two jobs and spend what little free time you have left studying.
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