My first "Black Gun"

[Ripsnort]

Thanks for the info!

[Ripsnort]

Quick google search of our state laws say the following;

In Washington you can own the following items that are regulated by the National Firearms Act

Silencers
Any Other Weapon (AOW)
Destructive Devices (DD) except explosive devices
Short Barreled Rifles (SBR)

In Washington you cannot own the following NFA restricted items.

Machine Guns*
Short Barreled Shotguns (SBS)*

NOTE:* Not legal to own or possess parts that can make these firearms unless these items were legally acquired prior to July 1, 1994 and be in compliance with federal law or machine Gun, Short Barreled Shotgun, or Short Barreled Rifle but be possessed by by peace officer for official duty, armed forces, or person in compliance with NFA who has undergone Fingerprint and background check who in engaged in the production , manufacture, repair, or testing of Machine guns, SBR, or SBS (IE: class III dealer or manufacturer)

Follow this link to find out more about Washington and NFA restrictions on Class 3 Firearms

Also for other class 3 items a state license is required in addition to the requirements under the NFA

[Vulcan]

I can own supressors,  full autos and short barrel rifles and shotguns. A $200 fee and some paperwork similar to the standard background check is the only requirement.  In fact, I'm waiting for my SBR tax stamp at this moment, building an AK short barrel rifle.

Yeah but I can walk into a shop or buy one online. No fee or paperwork required.



I find it quite bizarre they are so restricted over there. They are commonplace here (NZ) because they are easy on the ears, and are great for hunting.

[49Dallas]

Yeah but I can walk into a shop or buy one online. No fee or paperwork required.



I find it quite bizarre they are so restricted over there. They are commonplace here (NZ) because they are easy on the ears, and are great for hunting.

Movies have scared people to much. They are't silent, And very bulky. They only reduce(slightly) the sound that is produced. There is NO reason they should be a NFA item, It's a saftey device, Just like a seatbelt. Sure they can get in your way but it stops you from getting hurt, A suppressor stops you from getting hearing damage.

[Vulcan]

Movies have scared people to much. They are't silent, And very bulky. They only reduce(slightly) the sound that is produced. There is NO reason they should be a NFA item, It's a saftey device, Just like a seatbelt. Sure they can get in your way but it stops you from getting hurt, A suppressor stops you from getting hearing damage.

They aren't bulky anymore (check out these  http://www.dpt.co.nz/  ). Depending on the ammunition they are silent (lots of people do subsonic loads now, plus 22lr subs, 9mm, 44mag, and a few other calibres come native sub) . The do reduce the bang heavily.

A lot of people trim their barrels down as well, you can chop a lot off without hurting accuracy or velocity to much. We call em bush pigs:  http://www.fishnhunt.co.nz/forum/YaBB.cgi?num=1347659513

[Swoop]

I've never seen the point of firing a subsonic round.  When a round I've fired has hit something, whatever it hit generally knows about it anyway before the sonic boom gets there.

[WaffenVW]

So even though you hit your target you clearly missed the point.

[Vulcan]

I've never seen the point of firing a subsonic round.  When a round I've fired has hit something, whatever it hit generally knows about it anyway before the sonic boom gets there.

Hearing protection is one reason. You don't have to wear earmuffs or worry about destroying your ears.

Secondary shots on other animals is another. It's not unusual for me to take down a half a mob of goats (pests), a couple of deer, or a few hares/rabbits in a short period of time.

If you do miss on the first shot even suppressed non-subsonic stuff gives you a better opportunity to get to get a second shot in.

With deer I'm often doing heart shots, which means an animal can still wander for a bit before it realizes it is dead. So less spook = less distance.

Suppressors can also improve accuracy, they act as a counterbalance and there is no gas swirl at the muzzle.

[Swoop]

All good points.  However, from my POV, satisfaction came from hitting a target at very long range.  1000 yards or more.  Out there, a suppressor won't help and subsonic rounds are a downright hindrance.

 

[WaffenVW]

That's fine on paper targets and a suppressor will still reduce the report enough that you won't need hearing protection. Shooting at game 1000 yards away is irresponsible and rarely an option unless you're on the African plains or something.

[Ripsnort]

That's fine on paper targets and a suppressor will still reduce the report enough that you won't need hearing protection. Shooting at game 1000 yards away is irresponsible and rarely an option unless you're in the ME hunting ISIS.

FIFY

[WaffenVW]

 

[Vulcan]

All good points.  However, from my POV, satisfaction came from hitting a target at very long range.  1000 yards or more.  Out there, a suppressor won't help and subsonic rounds are a downright hindrance.

Nahhhh... you can still shoot supersonic rounds and benefit from a suppressor. The boom is reduced (hearing protection), accuracy is improved, and you don't spook any other game nearby. You still have the supersonic crack but with a suppressor it is very non-directional, so game tend to ignore it.

[Vulcan]

That's fine on paper targets and a suppressor will still reduce the report enough that you won't need hearing protection. Shooting at game 1000 yards away is irresponsible and rarely an option unless you're on the African plains or something.

In NZ we have people hunting tahr, chamois, and red deer high up in the mountains that at ranges like that. It's not that uncommon. My stuff is mostly in the 200m-300m range though.

[WaffenVW]

Ok so African plains and New Zealand mountains. I still don't like it, must cause a lot of wounded animals dying a slow painful death. Hitting lungs, heart or brain from a klick away is hard. Hard enough against a stationary paper target.