The Patriot Act. has it been abolished?

[Citabria]

I am seeking to find out if the patriot acts have been abolished yet by HR 1466 bill.

does anyone have clear information on this?

[eagl]

Last I heard, they renamed it and kept most of the provisions.  Some parts were modified that supposedly increase the oversight required for large-scale data collection on the general public and tightening requirements to collect on individuals, but in practice there may not be much of a real change.  The govt still has access to both your data and metadata, and can listen in on any communication without telling you about it.

[rpm]

Following a lack of Congressional approval, parts of the Patriot Act expired on June 1, 2015. With the passage of the USA Freedom Act on June 2, 2015 the expired parts were restored and renewed through 2019. However, Section 215 of the law was amended to stop the NSA from continuing its mass phone data collection program. Instead, phone companies will retain the data and the NSA can obtain information about targeted individuals with permission from a federal court.

Short answer: No.

[Citabria]

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/02/congress-surveillance-reform-edward-snowden

i came across this link from June 2015 when reading about Edward Snowden but I was not certain of exactly what this new "USA Freedom Act" entailed... obviously anything named like this like the patriot act was named raises red flags right away.

eagl you seem to know more about this... did Snowden actually accomplish anything with his disclosure and ensuing public outrage or is it status quo of monitor everything record all digital traffic over all the united states and the world at all times like they have been doing?

[eagl]

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/02/congress-surveillance-reform-edward-snowden

i came across this link from June 2015 when reading about Edward Snowden but I was not certain of exactly what this new "USA Freedom Act" entailed... obviously anything named like this like the patriot act was named raises red flags right away.

eagl you seem to know more about this... did Snowden actually accomplish anything with his disclosure and ensuing public outrage or is it status quo of monitor everything record all digital traffic over all the united states and the world at all times like they have been doing?

I think that people who have power are loath to give it up, and governmental agencies who are created with the express purpose to wield power "in the name of the people, for the people, whether they like it or not", are equally resistant to stopping their activities.  Ruby Ridge and Waco highlighted huge abuses of power by federal law enforcement, and the only thing that changed is when they tried it with that dude in Nevada, a few hundred citizen patriots showed up to make damn sure he and his family didn't die right there with no witnesses but the feds who looked ready and willing to do him in.  The agency is still there, and it still uses the same tactics.

No, the President, congress, and the "experts" who have been given these sweeping powers will never give them up willingly.  Even President Obama who campaigned on a platform that included the explicitly stated intent of reducing the size of the military, closing gitmo, etc., ended up doing the exact opposite once he was the one directing those activities.  That kind of power does not go away by itself once it has been given to the government.  Worse, the bureaucrats in charge of writing and implementing policy are NOT ELECTED, so they answer to nobody but their own non-elected supervisors.  Political appointees who head those organizations come and go every couple of years, so the bureaucracies can easily wait them out and continue doing what they've been doing.  Nobody in government willingly gives up power once they have it, even those who actively campaigned on a platform of reducing *whatever* government power they vilified to gain votes.

[Citabria]

the stalking, spying, eavesdropping, thievery, murders, wars and above all lying about all of it will continue until moral improves and even if it does not it seems.

[zack1234]

Anything with Patriot or democracy in it usually means the opposite

The Ukranians are patriotic democratic ultra right wing nationalist who will defend us from the Asiatic hordes:rofl

[cpxxx]

A rare moment of sanity from Zack. They may change the terminology but nothing else has changed. Whatever the well intentioned reasons for the 'patriot' act, defeating terrorism etc. This is about power and control. We are all a threat to their position.

One day I had an argument with my Father, a wise man I now realise. I told him I knew my rights. He corrected me. He pointed out that I had no rights, only those other people allow me to have.

The truth is we have no inalienable rights. There's always someone who will take them from us.

We have to be on guard against this.

[USRanger]

I'm still sneaking pictures of your wimmins.

[Rich46yo]

So who exactly here was victimized by the Patriot Act?

[guncrasher]

rich, everybody.


semp

[Nilsen]

Patriot act. Is that the one with Harrison Ford?

[Tumor]

Nobody wants a Patriot Act... until the next 9/11 style incident.  Then it'll be ok for a minute or two. 

[zack1234]

So who exactly here was victimized by the Patriot Act?

I was touch in a inappropriate manner whilst a young lady recited the patriot act.

[Copprhed]

No matter who the disputed author of this quote is, "Those who would trade freedom for security deserve neither".