Co-pilot Position

[Chilli]

I wasn't aware there was any scoring of pilot kills, only plane kills    Although, a kill shot to the pilot has meant instant death.  In this proposed addition, instant deaths will only occur after both pilots were incapacitated.

I like the idea, especially if I may move the controls from a wounded pilot to a very conscious copilot to avoid the blackouts during critical maneuvering such as landing or bombing.

[hitech]

I got all that from the previous copilot wish some years back. Sorry I wasn't clear, I was just considering the score issue. Once all the not so simple stuff is done, assign half the current pilot damage to each pilot so that killing both equals one kill vs killing both equaling 2 kills.

Ahh now I understand, but you we don't score people kills, we score aircraft/vehicle kills.

HiTech

[FLS]

Ahh now I understand, but you we don't score people kills, we score aircraft/vehicle kills.

HiTech

But we score pilot deaths.

Say you lose the pilot and one wing, the copilot bails. Is that then scored as a death and a bail? Simpler to score it as a bail. Bandit still gets one kill for the aircraft.

[hitech]

But we score pilot deaths.
Simpler to score it as a bail. Bandit still gets one kill for the aircraft.

This is how it would work.

HiTech

[bustr]

In the alpha Euro2015 big bomber mission. Everything I shot down or watched shot down always had the pilot hit the chute while a kill was awarded. Even if I obviously HO'd both pilots with 30mm, an AI pilot still hit the chute.

[kvuo75]

before the c47 was remodeled you could slide your view all the way over to the copilots seat with cursor keys.   

[FLS]

This is how it would work.

HiTech

Sounds good.   

If I understand the game logic, planes and vehicles are a kill for the bandit, and the loss for the player is categorized as a death, bail, capture, or ditch.

So why, when you land wounded on your runway and die before you exit, as Traveler posted not too long ago, and your aircraft is intact, why is that counted as a death when the aircraft wasn't killed?  It seems to be a people kill.

And yes I think "exception" is a reasonable answer. 

[dirtdart]

I could be wrong but I remember tanks having individual crew members. Or weapon systems... can't recall. I just remember the driver being killed and still being able to slew the turret. Or... could have old man stuff going on, one or the other.

[hitech]

So why, when you land wounded on your runway and die before you exit, as Traveler posted not too long ago, and your aircraft is intact, why is that counted as a death when the aircraft wasn't killed?  It seems to be a people kill.

The pilot died because the plane blew up, he just never new about it.

HiTech

[FLS]

The pilot died because the plane blew up, he just never knew about it.

HiTech

I had that backwards. I thought the plane blew up because the pilot died and couldn't land it.

[dirtdart]

The pilot died because the plane blew up, he just never new about it.

HiTech

I promise you I knew about it every time..

[earl1937]

I promise you I knew about it every time..

Not sure if it would be practical or not, because I don't understand the "coding" that would be involved, but what if, since someone can join as a gunner, why not let that extra player be able to enter the cockpit as a pilot, should the a/c commander be killed! That might be the easiest way to add a co-pilot!
But either way it is accomplished would be great, as I think we are missing a great addition to the game because all of the bombers we have in AH had a co-pilot, except three! Wonder how many people know which three aircraft that was? I am referring to multi-engine bombers, not the TBM! 

[BuckShot]

Havoc, Boston, 234?

[guncrasher]

Not sure if it would be practical or not, because I don't understand the "coding" that would be involved, but what if, since someone can join as a gunner, why not let that extra player be able to enter the cockpit as a pilot, should the a/c commander be killed! That might be the easiest way to add a co-pilot!
But either way it is accomplished would be great, as I think we are missing a great addition to the game because all of the bombers we have in AH had a co-pilot, except three! Wonder how many people know which three aircraft that was? I am referring to multi-engine bombers, not the TBM!

normally gunners were not pilots.


semp

[earl1937]

normally gunners were not pilots.
semp

From what I was told by some of the old heads when I was in, the Navigator, bombardier   and radio operator were all pilots to some degree, most of whom had washed out of flight school for one reason or the other. I knew of one person, W.L. Swanson, from my home town, received the silver star for landing his B-17 because the two pilots were wounded and could not fly the aircraft and the navigator and bombardier were killed, all by a head on attack from a FW-190.