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Re: Top Late War Killers
« Reply #30 on: October 20, 2015, 08:12:14 AM »
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« Reply #31 on: October 21, 2015, 02:23:11 AM »
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« Reply #32 on: October 21, 2015, 02:49:45 AM »
I find the 51 to be the most boring aircraft in the game.  Fast enough to outrun most things, but with an acceleration so poor that in most people's hands it can't afford to mix it up much lest it lose its speed and be trapped in a melee that it cannot win due to its terrible turning abilities.

There are some who can get beyond this and learn to be aggressive in it, but most are just painfully timid.

The 51 takes time and patience, but it's record stands. I for one do not believe for a second that the thing is modeled anywhere near accurately (no... I don't give a flying flip the HiTech has flown one, perhaps that's WHY it's dumbed down).  Timid is everyone's favorite adjective for the pony.... but the truth is, they simply want the Pony to give up it's particular advantage so they can have a chance at gunning it down.  My answer as always is, you do your thing, I'll do mine.  OR, tell ya what, next time you're in a Zeke, please fly straight and level for me, so I can get ya all easy like with my Pony.  Otherwise, I shall ridicule you for being all turny burny and afraid to fight fast like real men do.  :)
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« Reply #33 on: October 25, 2015, 02:16:28 AM »
Been flying the 51D a bit, it's fun to mix it up with the turny birds in it.
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« Reply #34 on: October 25, 2015, 09:31:36 AM »
The 51 takes time and patience, but it's record stands. I for one do not believe for a second that the thing is modeled anywhere near accurately (no... I don't give a flying flip the HiTech has flown one, perhaps that's WHY it's dumbed down).  Timid is everyone's favorite adjective for the pony.... but the truth is, they simply want the Pony to give up it's particular advantage so they can have a chance at gunning it down.  My answer as always is, you do your thing, I'll do mine.  OR, tell ya what, next time you're in a Zeke, please fly straight and level for me, so I can get ya all easy like with my Pony.  Otherwise, I shall ridicule you for being all turny burny and afraid to fight fast like real men do.  :)

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but the truth is, they simply want the Pony to give up it's particular advantage so they can have a chance at gunning it down.
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« Reply #35 on: October 25, 2015, 09:36:53 AM »
HT, I'd say this particular quote

"but the truth is, they simply want the Pony to give up it's particular advantage so they can have a chance at gunning it down"

was directed towards other players who want the Pony driver to slow down to turn with them, not HTC
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« Reply #36 on: October 25, 2015, 11:49:35 AM »
HT, I'd say this particular quote

"but the truth is, they simply want the Pony to give up it's particular advantage so they can have a chance at gunning it down"

was directed towards other players who want the Pony driver to slow down to turn with them, not HTC
He still gave no reason to try to call HTC out on modeling of the plane...nothing about it's top speed, handling or anything
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« Reply #37 on: October 25, 2015, 03:27:36 PM »
The P51 is a very balanced plane. In the right hands it can do almost anything. It can out fly almost every plane and keeps E better than most planes. It's only fault of course are the 50 cals which tend to make P51 have to work harder and longer for their kills in AH. Compared to the Temp, the P51 would dance all over it and eventually gain the 6, although I'm pretty sure the Temp might be able to run away, maybe. If the Temp gets one shot on the P51 its pretty much over. a lot of people really fly too timid in the P51 and you don't see many people get low and slow with it. The P51 can tangle up with most any plane from the start of the fight given the E. However, as the P51 gets slower it won't out turn planes like the Nik or Ki84. You have to be quick and aggressive. I think alot of people fail in the P51s because they don't fly it aggressively enough and dont really use its amazing flap platform to work positions in a fight.
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« Reply #38 on: October 26, 2015, 05:21:58 PM »
The 51 takes time and patience, but it's record stands. I for one do not believe for a second that the thing is modeled anywhere near accurately (no... I don't give a flying flip the HiTech has flown one, perhaps that's WHY it's dumbed down).  Timid is everyone's favorite adjective for the pony.... but the truth is, they simply want the Pony to give up it's particular advantage so they can have a chance at gunning it down.  My answer as always is, you do your thing, I'll do mine.  OR, tell ya what, next time you're in a Zeke, please fly straight and level for me, so I can get ya all easy like with my Pony.  Otherwise, I shall ridicule you for being all turny burny and afraid to fight fast like real men do.  :)

The Pony is a very nice turning machine too. Has a real nice roll rate along with some real speed if you need it. Most who fly (in game) it have no idea how to really fly it.

I still prefer my 38J.
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« Reply #39 on: October 26, 2015, 06:27:54 PM »
The Pony is a very nice turning machine too. Has a real nice roll rate along with some real speed if you need it. Most who fly (in game) it have no idea how to really fly it.

I still prefer my 38J.
P-51D turns like utter crap.  The Mosquito is a poor turner and it turns better than the P-51D. 

I don't blame any P-51 driver for not getting in a turn fight.  I do blame them for not learning how to exploit their high energy retention and fight in the vertical.  Really, the P-51D and Mossie handle surprisingly similar, P-51 rolls a lot better though, and I know how potent the Mossie is when aggressively BnZing.  I see no reason the P-51D cannot do the same.
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Re: Top Late War Killers
« Reply #40 on: October 26, 2015, 06:32:52 PM »
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« Reply #41 on: October 26, 2015, 06:54:44 PM »
P-51D turns like utter crap.  The Mosquito is a poor turner and it turns better than the P-51D. 

I don't blame any P-51 driver for not getting in a turn fight.  I do blame them for not learning how to exploit their high energy retention and fight in the vertical.  Really, the P-51D and Mossie handle surprisingly similar, P-51 rolls a lot better though, and I know how potent the Mossie is when aggressively BnZing.  I see no reason the P-51D cannot do the same.
The 51 handles at high speed better then most planes...
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« Reply #42 on: October 26, 2015, 07:50:35 PM »
P-51D turns like utter crap.  The Mosquito is a poor turner and it turns better than the P-51D. 

I don't blame any P-51 driver for not getting in a turn fight.  I do blame them for not learning how to exploit their high energy retention and fight in the vertical.  Really, the P-51D and Mossie handle surprisingly similar, P-51 rolls a lot better though, and I know how potent the Mossie is when aggressively BnZing.  I see no reason the P-51D cannot do the same.
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Re: Top Late War Killers
« Reply #43 on: October 26, 2015, 08:21:16 PM »
The 51 handles at high speed better then most planes...
While this is definitely true, it isn't all that useful for aggressive BnZing.

YMMV 
I will grant that there are a lot of really bad P-51 drivers to encounter out there so the fact that I consistently out turned P-51Ds in the Mossie VI to the point that I actively sought them out does not necessarily mean that the Mossie turns better than the P-51D.  In my experience it does though.
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« Reply #44 on: October 26, 2015, 08:24:24 PM »
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