shooting straighter

[mikev]

  well i tried something new today, seems before when i pulled the trigger it would alter my aim just enough to throw my shot off target so i moved my fire button over to the throttle so it would allow me to hold a more steady stick to keep my shots more on target . it worked for me quite well although as in the video im not ready yet to take on 3 v1 but i made them work a bit.
enjoy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULBCTZkHl0U

[Scca]

Glad it's working for ya 

[bustr]

There are two obvious issues with your gunnery.

1. - You make deflection shots under E that you do not have the lead to accomplish. 100mph principle compounded by your E state.
2. - Even 400 in a 6 chasing shot is pushing it for a spitfire. Dispersion is making your efforts a low probability of success. A P51D or 47 yes.

[JimmyD3]

There are two obvious issues with your gunnery.

1. - You make deflection shots under E that you do not have the lead to accomplish. 100mph principle compounded by your E state.
2. - Even 400 in a 6 chasing shot is pushing it for a spitfire. Dispersion is making your efforts a low probability of success. A P51D or 47 yes.

What do you mean Bustr?

[Randy1]

I have a two position trigger on my joystick.  For the P-38, it should be perfect.  The four 50s then full pull to get all guns.  Like you though, pulling the trigger hard enough to get the cannons to fire, makes for a ridged grasp on the joystick.

[bustr]

There are two obvious issues with your gunnery.

1. - You make deflection shots under E that you do not have the lead to accomplish. 100mph principle compounded by your E state.
2. - Even 400 in a 6 chasing shot is pushing it for a spitfire. Dispersion is making your efforts a low probability of success. A P51D or 47 yes.

1. - He dove into a con which increased his speed, pulled to shoot lead, increased his E, then shot without enough lead to account for both conditions. I suspect he may not have pulled his throttle full back just before pulling the lead. It might have helped get a few rounds on the con. He was too late in general.

2. - Spits have horrible dispersion past 300 when you want two hispano to do the job at that range. For shooting long distance runners, 400-600, use a P51D or P47.

[bustr]

I have a two position trigger on my joystick.  For the P-38, it should be perfect.  The four 50s then full pull to get all guns.  Like you though, pulling the trigger hard enough to get the cannons to fire, makes for a ridged grasp on the joystick.

How often do many remember to do this in combat in our game.

[The Fugitive]

What do you mean Bustr?

I think he wanted you to explain what you mean by " 100mph principle " and how it relates to his "E" state.

[mikev]

There are two obvious issues with your gunnery.

1. - You make deflection shots under E that you do not have the lead to accomplish. 100mph principle compounded by your E state.
2. - Even 400 in a 6 chasing shot is pushing it for a spitfire. Dispersion is making your efforts a low probability of success. A P51D or 47 yes.

oh i know , but what i was looking for in the video was no jerky motions when i took the shot. whenever i took a shot with the trigger on the stick  i would always have a bounce in my aim .call it old peoples itchy finger disease lol

[Triton28]

Two stage triggers are indeed handy in the 38.  Since the 50's and Hispanos fly fairly similar, you waste less cannon rounds by ranging with the 50's first.  You'll run out of cannon way before you run out of 50's if you don't have them mapped separately.  That's not a death sentence, but no cannon means you're not nearly as lethal as you were on takeoff.     

If you're snatching the trigger, you're pulling a Cougar and holding on too tight.  Heed the words of Sam Snead and pretend it's a baby bird.  Keep it from flying away, but don't kill it.   That said, I've found it useful to map cannons to a separate thumb button too, but I pretty much only use it in the K4.  I like shooting taters by themselves and save my MG's for backup duty or plinking a runner.  They're pretty much useless otherwise.   

[Bizman]

Several decades ago I did some archery and one of the tricks was to release the arrow without either pulling or following. For those who are too lazy or uncapable to learn that there's triggers, or mechanical release devices to be more precise. In the Army where I've done most of my shooting we were taught not to move the firearm, just pull the trigger.

With a plane it's a little more complicated, you have to keep an entire plane steady while pulling the trigger. Fighting turbulence and other aviational forces with all your hand power while pulling the trigger ever so gently can be a mission impossible at times. Actually I'm surprised that the trigger still is on the stick instead of the throttle.

[bustr]

100mph Principle:

The standard combat reticle ring in WW2 was 100Mil in diameter. It was called a 100mph ring. It took a standard 50cal bullet .25sec to travel 400yds. At 400yds a 100mph fighter will travel across your 100Mil ring 50Mil during that time. Your lead allowance is then 50Mil.

For every additional 100mph you increase the lead allowance by an additional 50Mil. In a spitfire in our game, a 300-350mph fighter, you lead with the vertical windscreen bars. You do this from 200-300yds for angles of 45-90 degrees of your travel. Why not to 400yds, dispersion and drop in most cases. 200-300 have a higher percentage chance of hits.

Trying to learn this in the drone circle will only teach you how to estimate lead for aircraft traveling 225-250mph. In that case you use a 70Mil or 65mph ring. In fighter gunnery training in the US the T6 Texan was used which limited air to air shooting to 250mph and 70Mil rings. The pilot might get a few passes in a P40 before being sent off to his combat station. The CO there was supposed to insure the new pilot was brought up to speed using a 100Mil ring. Kind of like our game where everyone starts in the deep end of the pool learning to swim.

[JimmyD3]

Got it Bustr, Thankyou.

[mikev]

100mph Principle:

The standard combat reticle ring in WW2 was 100Mil in diameter. It was called a 100mph ring. It took a standard 50cal bullet .25sec to travel 400yds. At 400yds a 100mph fighter will travel across your 100Mil ring 50Mil during that time. Your lead allowance is then 50Mil.

For every additional 100mph you increase the lead allowance by an additional 50Mil. In a spitfire in our game, a 300-350mph fighter, you lead with the vertical windscreen bars. You do this from 200-300yds for angles of 45-90 degrees of your travel. Why not to 400yds, dispersion and drop in most cases. 200-300 have a higher percentage chance of hits.

Trying to learn this in the drone circle will only teach you how to estimate lead for aircraft traveling 225-250mph. In that case you use a 70Mil or 65mph ring. In fighter gunnery training in the US the T6 Texan was used which limited air to air shooting to 250mph and 70Mil rings. The pilot might get a few passes in a P40 before being sent off to his combat station. The CO there was supposed to insure the new pilot was brought up to speed using a 100Mil ring. Kind of like our game where everyone starts in the deep end of the pool learning to swim.

 yes i set my convergence at 350 in the spits with 50 cals and 300 with the 303s but whenever i took a shot i would flinch. in this game new players are thrown into the deep end of the pool and you have to try anything to keep from drowning.

[FLS]

... in this game new players are thrown into the deep end of the pool and you have to try anything to keep from drowning.

That's one choice but new players have other options.