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Yucca and Frenchy dogfights with commentaries
« on: November 15, 2015, 11:35:25 AM »
Yucca & I went to the DA and practiced some dogfights to learn from each other and improve. You'll be able to see each other's mistakes, each others moves and train of thoughts. I threw in some commentaries and some P47s tips at the end with 'time stamps' in the description for quick reference.

Definitely not a 'look at me! look at me!' video. We thought it could be useful for our pilots that struggle with basic ACM with the big boat and gain familiarity on their behaviors. So take it as such if interested.  :salute



https://youtu.be/nMLnJai8rxU
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Re: Yucca and Frenchy dogfights with commentaries
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2015, 11:45:53 AM »
This is super handy as I'm trying to train someone, thanks!!  :aok
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Re: Yucca and Frenchy dogfights with commentaries
« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2015, 12:37:39 PM »
Looks like fun fights.  :aok

I'll add some general comments to yours.

On the rolling scissors a more vertical loop limits your forward travel better than chopping throttle.

An oblique merge loop adds or reduces turning room and keeps more speed over the top. A vertical loop has more vertical travel so you keep less speed over the top and it's easier to get hung up.

You chopped throttle to "help" your turn when you were nose down and low E. You needed WEP for maneuvering speed. You want to decrease radius with max available g not low speed. Turning speed is only too high when it's above corner speed. A good rule of thumb is if you can't black out you aren't too fast and don't need to pull power.

Energy is speed and altitude. Altitude generally has more E than speed. Instead of cutting throttle, go up to slow down and keep more E. There are times to cut throttle, like when you're stalled and can't roll against the torque, but usually it's best to keep your speed up and climb to slow down.

« Last Edit: November 15, 2015, 01:29:52 PM by FLS »

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Re: Yucca and Frenchy dogfights with commentaries
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2015, 01:42:00 PM »
Those are solid proven tactics FLS, thank you for adding them. I have to temper them a hair because we are talking P47M here .. with 50% fuel and full gun package ... kind of a dog at low speed with low abilities to pull Gs.

E fighting is always the safe route indeed, but this is not what this video is about. Yucca and I find it awfully boring and as a P47 pilot in the MA, you'll rarely start higher. To be noted, when you have an excellent shooter with 50s that can hit you hard up to 600-800y out that is also very aggressive, E fighting technique don't work as good. Similar planes you will not be out of his cone of death quick enough. You'll have more E or Speed indeed, but not the distance.

You chopped throttle to "help" your turn when you were nose down and low E. You needed WEP for maneuvering speed. You want to decrease radius with max available g not low speed. Turning speed is only too high when it's above corner speed.
Yes and I'm working on that. I took bad habits and I bank too much on slowing down aggressively with rudder/power/G as I usually compensate with hanging on the prop/gunnery.

Thank you FLS :aok
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Re: Yucca and Frenchy dogfights with commentaries
« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2015, 01:51:34 PM »
Awesome video! All that ACM seems complicated LOL that's why I don't fly much HTC still waiting on that kill shooter feature for when AKAK shoots at me also plz add yucca thank you :)
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Re: Yucca and Frenchy dogfights with commentaries
« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2015, 02:30:03 PM »
I wasn't suggesting a different fighting style Frenchy. My comments are about keeping more maneuvering speed for better turn radius and rate in a turn fight. There are times when you want to slow down but keeping enough speed can keep you out of trouble if you stay inside Yucca's turn. A spiral climb until the bandit drops his nose leaves you in a better position than low and slow and hoping the bandit doesn't climb inside your turn.

Nothing wrong with blowing your speed in a hard turn if it gives you the shot, but if you aren't sure it will work and you lag instead of lead, you will set up a better shot as you align flight paths or the bandit reverses giving you an improved crossing shot.

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Re: Yucca and Frenchy dogfights with commentaries
« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2015, 02:59:27 PM »
It's a fair statement, I'm hearing you  :cheers:
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Re: Yucca and Frenchy dogfights with commentaries
« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2015, 03:15:22 PM »
Everything that works is correct.  :aok

I just wanted to comment for the struggling pilot.  :cheers:

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Re: Yucca and Frenchy dogfights with commentaries
« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2015, 08:46:37 PM »
 :aok
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Re: Yucca and Frenchy dogfights with commentaries
« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2015, 12:07:47 PM »
Oh well happy happy, joy joy.  Now EVERYbody is gonna be out trying to master the brick with wings.

No really, cool vids.  Ya'll both class acts too... which makes it a joy to KILL ya, as much as be kilt by ya!   :devil
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Re: Yucca and Frenchy dogfights with commentaries
« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2015, 12:16:36 AM »
It has been a long time since I have had the change to spend time in DA with friends. Good inspiration. Even though I know I wouldn't be able to do with 47 anything else but stall... or maybe fly forward :salute

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Re: Yucca and Frenchy dogfights with commentaries
« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2015, 08:23:55 AM »
Nice work gentlemen hopefully we can learn from this and add to the AH experience  :banana:
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Re: Yucca and Frenchy dogfights with commentaries
« Reply #12 on: November 18, 2015, 02:12:02 AM »
We need more of this from veteran players and not so much the films and youtubes postings to worship ones self.

Anyways good stuff.  :salute
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Re: Yucca and Frenchy dogfights with commentaries
« Reply #13 on: November 25, 2015, 03:15:15 PM »
 Thanks for great post.
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Re: Yucca and Frenchy dogfights with commentaries
« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2015, 10:21:52 AM »
P47s are fun but I think I will stay with my 38.  :evil:
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