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Offline McShark

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Hackers are friends......or.....
« on: December 09, 2015, 05:54:16 PM »
The attempt of the greatest distance travelled for an AH meet.


So, as the title says. How's that?

Last year in spring we had a huge rout in this community over a thingy called the 12 hour rule. I never bothered but many of my friends in AH did, with known results. A merciless swing of the ban hammer knocked the dwindling numbers further down. Yet, my best friend in AH, Bluberry, was not only banned from game and BBS, he was also called out in public on this forum as a hacker without any possibility to defend himself. Something that I did not see coming from the BBS administrators and I still consider it as cheap. But that's another story.

Well, life went on and while I was able to remain a member of the game ( having stayed out of all the 12 hour banter and most of the rest ) I never lost contact to Bluberry since. I missed him in game, and still do so to the day. But our friendship evolved beyond AH.

This October I receive a text from him:
"Can you take some days off?"

"How's that?" I ask back and I receive an invitation, at no expense, to spend a week's vacation in Montana for some hunting and fishing. Whatta??? I was baffled.

I live in a little country called The Netherlands. Few of you might ever have heard of it and probably less could point it out on a map. Flat as a pancake and we still wear wooden shoes. The most common thing about the Netherlands is going out for a lunch or dinner with a friend or buddy " Going Dutch" which means you split the bill in the end.

So on a cloudy October Tuesday I boarded a flight from Amsterdam to Minneapolis, on to Salt Lake City and arrived, close to midnight, after 17 hours of travel in a place I never heard of called Missoula, MT.
And there we met for the first time, Bluberry and me.
For the next week, I was treated like a king. I did not have to worry about anything. All was taken care of, I am still astonished by the way it was.

I resided in a beautiful cabin on my own, incredible food, drinks, booze as much as I could hold, guns, ammo, fishing rods, guides, you name it. I spend a total of $141 in 10 days, mainly on gifts for my wife and kids. I also was honored to be invited for a stay at Bluberry's parents home for two days.
Never ever anybody in my life has presented me with an experience like this.
I will be in debt to him forever.  :salute

So, hackers are friends. Not in all cases, but in this one, definitively. And maybe this is the farthest ever travelled for an AH meet up.

Whoever likes a little impression, check the video. I am the one with the beard.  :devil



Cheers :cheers:

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« Last Edit: December 09, 2015, 05:57:51 PM by McShark »
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Re: Hackers are friends......or.....
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2015, 06:25:31 PM »
I thought Skuzzy in reviewing his account, discovered he had been permanently banned for hacking under another ID once, before his current permanent game ban.

What are you trying to accomplish other than showing us a video of something that blew you away because of the power of personal fortune. And now want the judge to reconsider having  punished him for committing the one infraction that gets you permanently banned for life from this game. He's a nice guy with money aside from his personal problem with hacking other people's property seems to be your statement to the judge.

I suppose if you do not appreciate HTC's position in this, then someone should post a skyyr is a nice guy film next.
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Re: Hackers are friends......or.....
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2015, 06:46:38 PM »
The attempt of the greatest distance travelled for an AH meet.


So, as the title says. How's that?

Last year in spring we had a huge rout in this community over a thingy called the 12 hour rule. I never bothered but many of my friends in AH did, with known results. A merciless swing of the ban hammer knocked the dwindling numbers further down. Yet, my best friend in AH, Bluberry, was not only banned from game and BBS, he was also called out in public on this forum as a hacker without any possibility to defend himself. Something that I did not see coming from the BBS administrators and I still consider it as cheap. But that's another story.

Well, life went on and while I was able to remain a member of the game ( having stayed out of all the 12 hour banter and most of the rest ) I never lost contact to Bluberry since. I missed him in game, and still do so to the day. But our friendship evolved beyond AH.

This October I receive a text from him:
"Can you take some days off?"

"How's that?" I ask back and I receive an invitation, at no expense, to spend a week's vacation in Montana for some hunting and fishing. Whatta??? I was baffled.

I live in a little country called The Netherlands. Few of you might ever have heard of it and probably less could point it out on a map. Flat as a pancake and we still wear wooden shoes. The most common thing about the Netherlands is going out for a lunch or dinner with a friend or buddy " Going Dutch" which means you split the bill in the end.

So on a cloudy October Tuesday I boarded a flight from Amsterdam to Minneapolis, on to Salt Lake City and arrived, close to midnight, after 17 hours of travel in a place I never heard of called Missoula, MT.
And there we met for the first time, Bluberry and me.
For the next week, I was treated like a king. I did not have to worry about anything. All was taken care of, I am still astonished by the way it was.

I resided in a beautiful cabin on my own, incredible food, drinks, booze as much as I could hold, guns, ammo, fishing rods, guides, you name it. I spend a total of $141 in 10 days, mainly on gifts for my wife and kids. I also was honored to be invited for a stay at Bluberry's parents home for two days.
Never ever anybody in my life has presented me with an experience like this.
I will be in debt to him forever.  :salute

So, hackers are friends. Not in all cases, but in this one, definitively. And maybe this is the farthest ever travelled for an AH meet up.

Whoever likes a little impression, check the video. I am the one with the beard.  :devil



Cheers :cheers:

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awww, what a nice story! with movie trailer and all!  glad you had funs in america, we're not all bad, in fact many of us would do the same if capable.  tell all those europeans what big sky country and the west is like.
 :salute

ps thanks for sharing.

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Re: Hackers are friends......or.....
« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2015, 07:09:15 PM »
I thought Skuzzy in reviewing his account, discovered he had been permanently banned for hacking under another ID once, before his current permanent game ban.

What are you trying to accomplish other than showing us a video of something that blew you away because of the power of personal fortune. And now want the judge to reconsider having  punished him for committing the one infraction that gets you permanently banned for life from this game. He's a nice guy with money aside from his personal problem with hacking other people's property seems to be your statement to the judge.

I suppose if you do not appreciate HTC's position in this, then someone should post a skyyr is a nice guy film next.

With this post I assume you are privy to details of his offense?  Somehow I doubt it, yet you posted anyway. 

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Re: Hackers are friends......or.....
« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2015, 07:19:21 PM »
With this post I assume you are privy to details of his offense?  Somehow I doubt it, yet you posted anyway. 

Tis better to be thought a fool...

I remember a much different account from a more reliable source than Bustr.

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« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2015, 07:22:53 PM »
I remember a much different account from a more reliable source than Bustr.

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Re: Hackers are friends......or.....
« Reply #6 on: December 09, 2015, 07:29:15 PM »
Livin large, bro :aok

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Re: Hackers are friends......or.....
« Reply #7 on: December 09, 2015, 07:46:47 PM »
This could end badly... Hope not...

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Re: Hackers are friends......or.....
« Reply #8 on: December 09, 2015, 08:16:04 PM »
Barkhorn! How have  you been man? I haven't seen you on in a while. Of course, I don't spent much time in the MA these days - so that might be why.

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Re: Hackers are friends......or.....
« Reply #9 on: December 09, 2015, 09:54:21 PM »
Sorry Skuzzy. My bad it was Hitech himself.


From Hitech: May 22, 2014

As admins if we click on any player name I also see posts in squad forums. As I am reading  a  players posting history I do not really look what forum the posts came from, so I do on occasion see squad forum stuff.

But all this has nothing to do with why the forum was close,

When we deleted all 3 of BluBerrys AH accounts, we found one of them was a squad unto himself owning the Amusement park forum. And that squad had no people in it hence why we closed the Amusement park forum. No squad, no forum.

It appears BluBerry had created a squad on a shade account with the sole purpose of wanting a BBS forum that he could control. 

At the same time in searching BluBerry's account we found out he should never have been playing for the last 2or so years because he had been already banned for hacking. He some how got past our systems.

So to put this in perspective.

1. BluBerry receives a 2 week suspension for trolling with avatars, and had incurred previous suspensions.
2. After a bbs suspension BluBerry immediately comes back and tells us what we can do with it by putting a image in his signature.
3. We then find out he has been intentionally abusing our squad bbs system, to make a forum for his own play thing.
4. He has in the past hacked AH and been banned.
5. He has already been trying to come back in AH and BBS accounts.

His actions are non defensible, and it appears innocent by standers are getting sucked in.

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http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,362666.msg4822263.html#msg4822263
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Re: Hackers are friends......or.....
« Reply #10 on: December 09, 2015, 10:17:11 PM »
Unfortunately, this is the problem with wealth. Those that have it, achieve it or win it, sometimes also adopt the mindset that they should be treated differently than the status quo. That some how having wealth makes you better than some who do not.

Imagine if he had chosen to use his wealth to get his own forums, make his own game....maybe all could have benefited and enjoyed.

Op I'm glad you had a good time, and enjoyed big sky country. Hopefully you chose not to share your account with him.

Any game is hackable, all things on internet are hackable, just a matter of time spent and degree of interference you want to achieve.

So sad to see such a waste of talent on such piss poor choices.
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Re: Hackers are friends......or.....
« Reply #11 on: December 09, 2015, 11:05:41 PM »
Bluberry aside it was sad how that whole thing ended over a stupid 12 hour rule.

Aside from that I guess I better go abandon my one man squad before I get banned for life.
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« Reply #12 on: December 09, 2015, 11:56:07 PM »
Sorry Skuzzy. My bad it was Hitech himself.


From Hitech: May 22, 2014

As admins if we click on any player name I also see posts in squad forums. As I am reading  a  players posting history I do not really look what forum the posts came from, so I do on occasion see squad forum stuff.

But all this has nothing to do with why the forum was close,

When we deleted all 3 of BluBerrys AH accounts, we found one of them was a squad unto himself owning the Amusement park forum. And that squad had no people in it hence why we closed the Amusement park forum. No squad, no forum.

It appears BluBerry had created a squad on a shade account with the sole purpose of wanting a BBS forum that he could control. 

At the same time in searching BluBerry's account we found out he should never have been playing for the last 2or so years because he had been already banned for hacking. He some how got past our systems.

So to put this in perspective.

1. BluBerry receives a 2 week suspension for trolling with avatars, and had incurred previous suspensions.
2. After a bbs suspension BluBerry immediately comes back and tells us what we can do with it by putting a image in his signature.
3. We then find out he has been intentionally abusing our squad bbs system, to make a forum for his own play thing.
4. He has in the past hacked AH and been banned.
5. He has already been trying to come back in AH and BBS accounts.

His actions are non defensible, and it appears innocent by standers are getting sucked in.

HiTech

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,362666.msg4822263.html#msg4822263

Yes Bustr, we all read that too.  Upon reading that, some of us actually took the time to ask the right questions to the right people, and what we found doesn't jive with the picture your brain painted when it connected those two dots.  Without going where I know HTC doesn't want this thread to go, the bottom line is this... Bluberry took responsibility for the circumstances surrounding his banning, and was pretty forthcoming with anyone who asked.  HTC was right to ban him, IMO, because there shouldn't be any benefits of the doubt given with regards to anything that even looks like cheating... again, IMO.  Bluberry understood that and so does everyone else.  What Barkhorn and others realize that you don't is that there's a difference between making silly mistakes behind a keyboard (and paying for those mistakes) and being a pretty decent guy in real life.       
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« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2015, 01:56:20 AM »
Yes Bustr, we all read that too.  Upon reading that, some of us actually took the time to ask the right questions to the right people, and what we found doesn't jive with the picture your brain painted when it connected those two dots.  Without going where I know HTC doesn't want this thread to go, the bottom line is this... Bluberry took responsibility for the circumstances surrounding his banning, and was pretty forthcoming with anyone who asked.  HTC was right to ban him, IMO, because there shouldn't be any benefits of the doubt given with regards to anything that even looks like cheating... again, IMO.  Bluberry understood that and so does everyone else.  What Barkhorn and others realize that you don't is that there's a difference between making silly mistakes behind a keyboard (and paying for those mistakes) and being a pretty decent guy in real life.     

But! But! Video games are everything in life! If you hack a video game then you are automatically the most evil, despicable, awful human being that has ever walked this Earth, no questions asked. How DARE Blueberry ruin 1 sortie out of the 1,483,886 I have flown! I still remember that nightmarish day even now. I was flying along and I saw on 200 that someone was hacking. I immediately tabbed out to report this to HTC and when I tabbed back in I had flown into a mountain. My K/D went from 1.3 to 1.2. Truly disgusts me! HOW DARE HE RUIN MY K/D IN A VIDEO GAME!


Joking aside, way to hit the nail on the head.  :aok

Bluberry was a cool guy. Yes he was banned for hacking once, but he admitted his mistake and apologized for it. That's the difference bustr. BluBerry admitted his mistake and apologized. Skyyr refused to ever admit making a mistake and instead tried to save his own skin by throwing his own squadmates under the bus and take the fall for him.

Bluberry = Cool decent human being
Skyyr = Hateful piece of trash who treats everyone like crap



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« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2015, 02:19:34 AM »
He's a nice guy with money aside from his personal problem with hacking other people's property seems to be your statement to the judge.

The first time maybe a lack of sound judgment as a young guy. The second time was pre meditation and choosing to violate HTC property by trespassing. He didn't notify HTC he was back on the property under another alias after being permanently banned from the property. Simple Criminal trespass in the real world. It took premeditation to commit the trespass. That was not a mistake of youth.

Hacking is theft of private property. I guess round two was sleep walking on the internet to the extreme. Oh! sorry your honor, I woke up and I had a whole new account and persona and well no one noticed I was back.

I'm glad he is a nice guy. Many nice guys who are poor and wealthy alike are in jail doing terms for many crimes. He got off with banning twice. And they are truly nice guys to their friends. And they still chose to commit the crimes that got them locked up while being nice guys to their friends. And their friends will all swear on a stack of bibles they are nice guys. And they and their friends all swear that the owner of the property is the bad guy for catching them breaking the law along with anyone who takes the property owner's side.

Blu was a nice guy as he presented himself from what I could ever see. Except he has a problem with violating other people's intellectual property.
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