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Offline Zimme83

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Re: Galland 20mm v MG
« Reply #45 on: July 13, 2017, 03:27:04 PM »
And i started to wonder if the negative view of the gondolas among the pilots were a bit psychological, the 109F could match or outperform any of its opponents while the G-6 had a much harder time against the newer Escort fighters. I can understand if they did not want to have several hundred Pounds of extra weight under the wings at that Point..
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Re: Galland 20mm v MG
« Reply #46 on: July 13, 2017, 06:23:48 PM »
MG FF was used as centerline engine cannon in the 109 F-1

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Re: Galland 20mm v MG
« Reply #47 on: July 13, 2017, 07:41:20 PM »
And i started to wonder if the negative view of the gondolas among the pilots were a bit psychological, the 109F could match or outperform any of its opponents while the G-6 had a much harder time against the newer Escort fighters. I can understand if they did not want to have several hundred Pounds of extra weight under the wings at that Point..

Probably a little of both. They do sap around 15mph, and the 109 can be a dog at high alt if it gets slow. I personally wouldn't want to lug them around at 25000ft.
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Re: Galland 20mm v MG
« Reply #48 on: July 14, 2017, 07:25:57 AM »
They needed the firepower. Not all fights were "dogfights" -- even if they were against other fighters. In fact, most weren't. You get a good angle on a target and you press the attack. In that case a couple hundred pounds of lethal killing weaponry would make the fight end in a heartbeat. It was only when you were caught in the bounce and at disadvantage that it would cost you dearly.

Not all improvements that keep you alive enhance your plane's performance. Self-sealing fuel tanks, for example. They add weight, reduce handling, reduce fuel tankage, but will save you from even minor damage. Better radio gear, for example, might add another 80 pounds to your loaded weight, but if you've got good combat communication and tactics/teamwork, it'll save your life and kill the enemy just as well as any extra guns will. The P-51 bubbletop, for example, added drag over the bird cage canopy. It took several mph off top speed, if I recall. It was life saving in keeping your SA open before and during combat engagements.

So yes, the later 109Gs didn't have as good an advantage against their closest competitors in the RAF, but they were still every bit as much of a threat overall.
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Re: Galland 20mm v MG
« Reply #49 on: July 15, 2017, 01:27:43 PM »
The G6 also added extra protection to the pilot, with more armor.
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Re: Galland 20mm v MG
« Reply #50 on: July 19, 2017, 11:32:00 PM »
MG FF was used as centerline engine cannon in the 109 F-1

Yes, here's a video of a Jg 54 bird with one. Go to 10:15 to see the comically huge ammo drum.

https://youtu.be/AOL0-q3KtKg?t=615
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Re: Galland 20mm v MG
« Reply #51 on: July 20, 2017, 09:54:41 AM »
The G6 also added extra protection to the pilot, with more armor.
And better radios, better direction finding, hood with better visibility, much more weapon and equipment variety etc.