Star Wars Episode VII in one word: Terrible (SPOILERS!)

[FLOOB]

It was better than the last three. I think you guys are taking it too seriously and losing perspective on what star wars was. Star wars was escapism fantasy for preteen boys. Now you're watching it as an adult and your disappointed that you're not getting the same stimulation from it that you did in 1977. And that's a good thing because you're not supposed to.

[bustr]

Disney = just another princess franchise.

[FLOOB]

To me the best part of this film is the production, capturing the retro style and feel. They did a good job making it look like a film that was shot in the early 80s/70s. It looks like the original product. It's very noticeable in the first scenes on the desert planet, which in the original was almost certainly inspired by the Viking 1 photos of the surface of mars in 1976.



As for the writing and dialog, again this harkens back to the cheesy writing of the original.

[CptTrips]

Empire strikes back > a new hope > the force awakens > return of the jedi > prequel trash

Agreed.

[branch37]

I've always wondered.  Why not much love for Return of the Jedi?  For me, I cant decide which is my favorite, but it's down to two.  Empire Strikes Back or Return of the Jedi. 

[Devil 505]

It's because RotJ is pretty terrible when it's not outright amazing. The "Special Edition" only made it worse. It's strengths are the  battle on Jaba's sail barge, the speeder chase on Endor, the entire space battle sequence, the final Vader/Luke duel before the Emperor, and Vader's return to the Light side of the Force. There are other singular moments I love in that film; Leia's attempt to rescue Han, Chewie hijacking the AT-ST, and Leia reversing the "I love you."-"I know." bit with Han. But beyond these parts, the film is painful to watch at times. I still think that it's mostly good, but by far the lesser film in the Original Trilogy.

[68Raptor]

In regards to the fight scene between the new Vader guy and the two kids. It bugged me also that here is this awesome fighter with a tremendous amount of power being beaten by some stormtrooper hack and a young girl. It bugged me so much so that I went and talk to my resident Star Wars walking encyclopedia (daughters boyfriend).


He took the guess that while it did seem odd new bad guy was being beaten, I needed to remember that Chewie's crossbow was capable of causing massive amounts of destruction. So much so that Han Solo remarked on it. Right after Han is killed Chewie shot new bad guy with the same bow and he was barely hurt, he was hurt but not blown up like the objects were or the stormtrooper that took a direct hit that was thrown back several feet from the force of it. Then new bad guy made a show of pounding the injury to block out some of the pain. The blood was shown on  the snow as a result, he also kept hitting himself in the same motion at different times. So, my future son in law says that maybe new bad guy was using alot of his powers to hold the pain back and also he may have really tired himself out just by blocking a good bit of the blast in the first place. As he did in the very beginning by stopping the laser shot mid air.


It was something he proposed to help explain that new bad guy was severely injured already, his use of the force was impaired by mental fatigue. His only real strength he had left was the hatred that took him to the dark side anyways.




Other that part I thought the movie was right up there with the originals. Fantastic!     [size=78%] [/size]

[Saxman]

In regards to the fight scene between the new Vader guy and the two kids. It bugged me also that here is this awesome fighter with a tremendous amount of power being beaten by some stormtrooper hack and a young girl. It bugged me so much so that I went and talk to my resident Star Wars walking encyclopedia (daughters boyfriend).


He took the guess that while it did seem odd new bad guy was being beaten, I needed to remember that Chewie's crossbow was capable of causing massive amounts of destruction. So much so that Han Solo remarked on it. Right after Han is killed Chewie shot new bad guy with the same bow and he was barely hurt, he was hurt but not blown up like the objects were or the stormtrooper that took a direct hit that was thrown back several feet from the force of it. Then new bad guy made a show of pounding the injury to block out some of the pain. The blood was shown on  the snow as a result, he also kept hitting himself in the same motion at different times. So, my future son in law says that maybe new bad guy was using alot of his powers to hold the pain back and also he may have really tired himself out just by blocking a good bit of the blast in the first place. As he did in the very beginning by stopping the laser shot mid air.


It was something he proposed to help explain that new bad guy was severely injured already, his use of the force was impaired by mental fatigue. His only real strength he had left was the hatred that took him to the dark side anyways.




Other that part I thought the movie was right up there with the originals. Fantastic!     [size=78%] [/size]

The other things to keep in mind are they made it clear that Stormtroopers have excellent hand-to-hand combat skills, as evidenced by the baton trooper who fights Finn. Other media confirms that Finn also received the same riot training, so he DOES know how to handle himself in hand-to-hand combat. Rey was also established right in the beginning of the film to be skilled in melee combat. So again, even if it was her first time using a lightsaber, she nonetheless had prior background experience that could apply.

[Ack-Ack]

The other things to keep in mind are they made it clear that Stormtroopers have excellent hand-to-hand combat skills, as evidenced by the baton trooper who fights Finn. Other media confirms that Finn also received the same riot training, so he DOES know how to handle himself in hand-to-hand combat. Rey was also established right in the beginning of the film to be skilled in melee combat. So again, even if it was her first time using a lightsaber, she nonetheless had prior background experience that could apply.

In one of the new books that are made up of short stories about Rey, Finn and Poe, it describes Finn as being in the top 1% of the stormtroopers and the leader of his fire team, and was being groomed to be an officer until testing showed he had too much empathy towards his fire teammates.

[quig]

Wow.

Geeks.

[rogwar]

Watched the first six over the holidays to get my daughter caught up. Went to see it with her a couple of days ago and we had a great time. For us, that's what is most important.

[Muzzy]

Watched the first six over the holidays to get my daughter caught up. Went to see it with her a couple of days ago and we had a great time. For us, that's what is most important.

+1 My nephew liked it. I liked it. My wife liked it. My sister who is about as far from geeky as you can get liked it. We had fun and it gave us something to talk about over the holidays.

[grizz441]

I've always wondered.  Why not much love for Return of the Jedi?  For me, I cant decide which is my favorite, but it's down to two.  Empire Strikes Back or Return of the Jedi.

Because of the Endor Care Bears man.

At least we can safely assume the Death Star debris almost certainly fell to their planet and caused the ecosystem to collapse, blocking light and destroying most of their food sources. They likely starved to death and were forced to eat their young before dying without honor.

Oh yeah, and boba fett dying like a noob.

[Randy1]

Went to see it last night.   It was good but not not great.   The solo end moment was so poorly handled.  If they had saved the moment that solo found out it was his son to that very moment it would have been one of the most spectacular scenes in movie history.

[Zacherof]

Went to see it last night.   It was good but not not great.   The solo end moment was so poorly handled.  If they had saved the moment that solo found out it was his son to that very moment it would have been one of the most spectacular scenes in movie history.

That's what I was thinking.
Basically a bigger Luke I am your father