The 190D-9 and 190-A

[BBP]

I got track IR for Christmas and of course its going to take some time getting  familiar with it. So I decided to dedicate some time to one plane I'm not to familiar with to try and learn to fly better while getting the hello beat out of me. Actually choose the two above. While out flying them I watched a few pilots pull the flip thingy where they are going north, flip and presto they are headed south. I actally had one pilot do it in front of me and I just dropped my jaw. I couldn't believe the expertise of the move. If anyone could explain that move I would love to learn it. To me it would make the 190's worth while flying. AWESOME MOVE! Thanks for the help!

Kimosabe

[Zacherof]

What your referring to is what some of us call a tail slide. Something you don't see very often in the MA.

Basically you go vertical and kick a notch or two out and pull back and reverse of a hard rudder kick at the same time at around 180mph. Perfectly executed you can kill and opponent soon as you go down.


BUT, it kills E, and speed, and leaves you out to the wolves, especially when incorrectly executed.  If you'd like to learn I'll be on tomorrow and I can teach you what I know, but I'm far from the most knowledgable

[Zacherof]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dSc49CLaC2I

From Latrobe a few years back
Is this what your referring to?

[mthrockmor]

I mostly fly the A5, though the Dora at times. The A8 has the same power as the A5 though weighs a few hundred pounds more. This means the A8 is a fat, younger sister to the A5. The only reason to fly the A8 is if you're buff hunting. It has an awesome gun package.

The Dora is longer than the A5, which means the A5 is a better turner, stalls less, etc. Both of them are a bit awkward doing tail slides, though doable. Contrary to what many will say, use the flaps in both birds. They are solid stall fighters. Many planes are better in the stall though most pilots don't know how to stall fight. You learn it in the Fw and you will have an advantage on 90% of the sticks in game.

The Latrobe video has the basics right. Add to this the advice that Pervert gave me several years back: If you want to learn how to fight the Fw you need to plan on being killed a few thousand times.

Side note, though you didn't ask, the Fw was designed for speed/slash attacks. Kurt Tank didn't imagine the Fw stall fighting but instead keeping up speed, zipping through the fight, make a hard 2-3 second shot and then blow through.

Best of luck joining the Butcher Bird Mafia!

boo

[WaffenVW]

A-8 has more power than the A-5 and is about 10 mph faster on the deck. Same engine, but more WEP boost.

[Krupinski]

Were you able to figure out how to implement the TrackIR profile I sent you?

[BBP]

What I am seeing looks different than the HammerHead or Tailslide.  It looks impossible and that's why I'm captivated by it.
Its like I said. The plane (190) is going north on a level path. You see what looks like a coin being flipped over and only one time. There is not a lot of the plane going vertical. Now its just going South.  ----------------> () <----------------------

Kimosabe

[FLS]

What I am seeing looks different than the HammerHead or Tailslide.  It looks impossible and that's why I'm captivated by it.
Its like I said. The plane (190) is going north on a level path. You see what looks like a coin being flipped over and only one time. There is not a lot of the plane going vertical. Now its just going South.  ----------------> () <----------------------

Kimosabe

Sounds like a relative motion illusion.  If you have film and turn on tracks it will likely make more sense.

[BBP]

You know, when I saw it , I couldn't believe it. I was going to save film but got attacked and forgot about it till I had closed out the game. If you guys aren't familiar with the move it must have been an optical illusion.

Kimosabe

[FLS]

I can rotate a 190, as others mentioned it's a zoom climb departure initiated with a snap roll, but that doesn't mean it's what you saw. Or, it could be that relative motion just made it look different than the video.

[BBP]

Well I can tell you the plane on him just went the opposite direction for a mile before he knew it. lol The guy must of just dropped his pants! Kimo

[Zacherof]

I can rotate a 190, as others mentioned it's a zoom climb departure initiated with a snap roll, but that doesn't mean it's what you saw. Or, it could be that relative motion just made it look different than the video.

Or that there was a slight difference increase between the two computers like with collisions?
Like a warp but less crazy

[earl1937]

Well I can tell you the plane on him just went the opposite direction for a mile before he knew it. lol The guy must of just dropped his pants! Kimo

You might want to consider this situation: a "con" is 2.5 or 3 back, tracking you, so to take the fight to him quickly, just pull the nose up into about a 30 degree angle, count thousand and one, thousand and two, roll it over on its back, pull the stick back in your lap and wa, la, you are now head on with him! Its known as a "split S", but to stay on the same altitude as your "con", hence you have to pull the nose up for a couple of seconds and then perform the "Split S"

[Charge]

"The only reason to fly the A8 is if you're buff hunting."

The only reason no to fly A8 is scorewhoring, IMO. It's an OK fighter although it tends to take patience to master.

"You might want to consider this situation: a "con" is 2.5 or 3 back, tracking you, so to take the fight to him quickly, just pull the nose up into about a 30 degree angle, count thousand and one, thousand and two, roll it over on its back, pull the stick back in your lap and wa, la, you are now head on with him!"

Exactly. I've used if a few times on head on shots so that it appears that I'm pulling up prior the merge and pulled a split S and ended up behind the con who thought that I was merely about to pull up and trade speed for alt. The FW falls through the "turn" due to its high wing loading but it also enables it to change the direction of the nose quite quickly in vertical maneuvers.

-C+

[FLOOB]

Used to see C-hogs do what the op is describing. I don't know if it is an exploit ala ManeTMP typhoonery or something else.