PTAB's

[ONTOS]

It's been asked a while back, but the PTAB (cluster) bombs the IL-2 carried in WW2 would be a good addition.

[bustr]

It's been asked many times in the past with no answer.

There is too much of a chance this single munition would cause players to cancel their accounts who already are very unhappy about General Purpose bombs at their GV spawn battles. If you don't care about dying, just like ord and radar suicide porking across a whole front which PO's people. You up, scream over to the GV spawn battle below radar, popup out of the grass and let fly with all 32. It takes no skill to use a shotgun at close rand and it only takes one to blow a hole in a tank body and fry the crew. Keep in mind the Yak 9D and Yak 7b could carry them. The IL2 can fly above wirbel range and rain PTAB on a tank assault or just whizz on wirbels and osti out of gun range. Then players would come into these forums and scream at Hitech, while some would cancel their subscriptions.

This munitions' ability to destabilize game play is probably similar to why our B29 doesn't have an atom bomb or our Lancasters the 12,000 and 24,000 pound bombs.

[Zimme83]

And the difference from dive bombing w a 1 ton bomb from a Tu-2 is...?
With 1000kg:s its enough if the bombs land in the same county. Low lancs or B-17:S w 100lbs create just as big shotgun effect as an Il-2 w PTAB would do. So it would not be any dramatic change except that the Il-2 would prob become more popular.

[bustr]

Try to find vehicles from the air in the beta and keep them eyeballed while you attempt to setup an attack run if they are in the trees. The PTAB comes in magazines of 32. And even a blind squirrel finds nuts.

Guess you were not in the closed alpha when we couldn't find stampf's panther in the trees to bomb it at TT on NDisles. I've built an AH3 terrain already with static tank hulks in the trees at two locations to practice driving through forests and flying over head for making out tanks from the trees. Any thick clump of trees and tanks can only be found by flying in the grass to look in through the trunks. It's a given, a vet with jabo skills, yes he may get a 1000lb close enough for a concussion kill. Give a newbie 32 tiny shaped charge PTAB to scatter between the foliage at the GV's general location, GVers will quit the game. Give me 32 PTAB and I'll help them leave because I don't like the complimentary wirbels that always show up after I've smoked 3 or 4 tanks with my IL2. And I would use them purposely to punish all of those commander mode wing shooters.

I suspect I wouldn't be alone as a vet to just how horrible I would make GVers lives with PTABs. Newbies would never carry real bombs to kill GVs once they discovered PTABs.

[Zacherof]

I never understood the whine of oh he bombed me. Your red, thus a target. Frankly my favorite battles were the gv and plane fights. Fly in low and bomb enemy gvs so grimes lies can break through and then move to air targets. And if there's a tt on a map I always take a bomb in case someone climbed above so I can dispatch him

[Devil 505]

I never understood the whine of oh he bombed me. Your red, thus a target. Frankly my favorite battles were the gv and plane fights. Fly in low and bomb enemy gvs so grimes lies can break through and then move to air targets. And if there's a tt on a map I always take a bomb in case someone climbed above so I can dispatch him

Especially since GVs are in this game specifically to be bait for attack planes. GVers just need to accept their place in the food chain.

[BuckShot]

Bring back old gv icon distances!

[bustr]

If nothing about GV icons is changed when AH3 goes live. Once a GV pulls back under the trees into the shadows, you will have to carpet bomb a whole grove of trees for one Jeep. It was like that in WW2.

In the open beta forum look in the link below for my IL2 picture in my reply posting. I included a film of flying it through the new tank town tree groves on my gunnery practice terrain. For every out in the open tank you can make out in the video, there are about 4 or 5 hidden under the trees.

You will not be able to play back that video unless you have the current beta installed on your PC.

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,377346.15.html

[Chris79]

Especially since GVs are in this game specifically to be bait for attack planes. GVers just need to accept their place in the food chain.

Exactly, I do on occasion like a good gv battle, but I always expect to egged. GVs are food, no more, no less.

[Randy1]

The balance is to make this game as enjoyable as you can for the most people you can

Bombing a heavy spawn camp is good to clear out the spawn.

Bombing a good tank fight, not so good from a tankers view.

Dive bombing TUs is getting out of hand seems like.

A big -1 on this wish.  The ILs are strong enough now.

[BuckShot]

+1 for ptab

[JimmyD3]

Tell you what, put the turret speed back to where it was for the Wirbl and Osti, extend the effective range of the Wirbl to the same as the Osti, THEN give the IL2 the PTAB.

[ONTOS]

PTAB's were designed primarily for ground vehicles, therefore,the IL-2's should have this weapon as part of their ordnance lay out. This is war man.

[bustr]

No this is a game in which Hitech has to balance human nature against paying his bills every month.

Human Nature - We have the B29, it dropped the A-bomb in WW2, this is a war man. Give us the nuke.

Paying the bills:

1. -The only Small caliber AA gun in the game you can man on a field that shoots to it's fuse's full "time to self destruct" is the 3.7cm Flak36 at 4700yds.

2. - The osti has the 3.7cm flack36 but it's fuse has been shortend to 2700yds.

3. - The wirbel has the 2-cm Flakvierling 38 which is the 4 barrel 20mm auto ack on fields. The range for the 6sec fuse is 2400yds, the auto ack shoots that far. The 2-cm Flakvierling 38 in the wirbel shoots effectively to 1200yds.

This has been the case for 14 years. So when you can get Hitech to change the fuse for the osti and wirbel rounds to their full range. Then you will probably get the PTAB. Minor things but, they would have a large impact on game play. By making people less inclined to login knowing everywhere they go, is a good chance some weeny in a wirble will shotgun tag them almost 3000yds away from anything important including furballing on the deck. Then fill an arena with the new AH3 trees and ground clutter, the game would become wirbel \osti wars to grief the players who actually want to "fly and fight in planes" anymore. Not to mention I would have to release new gunsights for the wirbel and osti.....

[Zacherof]

Nvm bustr beat me