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Offline DaveBB

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Re: AK fanbois on suicide watch
« Reply #15 on: February 03, 2016, 08:49:49 PM »
Was the AR-15 in that video direct gas impingement or piston operated?  The MR556/H&K 416 is piston operated.
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Re: AK fanbois on suicide watch
« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2016, 09:11:54 PM »
An AR with a gas piston is sort of like a woman with a trouser snake. You can still call it an AR, but accepting it as one requires a bit of a stretch.

 I mean, it's described as a development of the m4 carbine, and it shares a caliber, but the entire gas system is proprietary h&k... They also redesigned the grips, rail, and sight.

Not saying it's bad. H&k makes nice stuff. But it's a fundamentally different system. I'll give them compatibility, though, and this was a smart marketing move. Supposedly you can mate the entire 416 upper with an m4 lower.

I note that this has moved into us service and is reputed to be ultra-reliable. Aka "the gun that killed bin laden"...
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Re: AK fanbois on suicide watch
« Reply #17 on: February 03, 2016, 09:49:21 PM »
The AR in the In Range tests has a direct impingement gas system.
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Re: AK fanbois on suicide watch
« Reply #18 on: February 03, 2016, 09:54:41 PM »
The HK416 action is based on the G36, which in turn is based on the AR18.
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Re: AK fanbois on suicide watch
« Reply #19 on: February 04, 2016, 09:15:24 AM »
Quote from: PJ_Godzilla on February 03, 2016, 09:11:54 PM
An AR with a gas piston is sort of like a woman with a trouser snake. You can still call it an AR, but accepting it as one requires a bit of a stretch.

Actually, PJ, even I wouldn't call a piston AR a real AR lol.
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Re: AK fanbois on suicide watch
« Reply #20 on: March 12, 2016, 03:25:13 AM »
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Re: AK fanbois on suicide watch
« Reply #21 on: March 12, 2016, 03:28:38 AM »
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Re: AK fanbois on suicide watch
« Reply #22 on: March 12, 2016, 12:43:46 PM »
IMO the advantage of the piston AR15 systems over the DI ones is in shorter barrel lengths.  SBR with DI gas systems, even with specifically equipped with shorter/wider gas tubes and specialized blocks/bolt carrier mods, never worked quite as well as longer 18/20" barrel length ARs.  Also, running suppressors is a BIG plus with a piston rifle over a direct impingement setup.  For several reasons.  So the reason piston AR rifles were so swag with all the special mission units is a: they usually run shorter barrel rifles than the infantry (used to at least), and b: they often have suppressors on their rifles, where that's rare with regular units.

There are benefits and costs to both systems.  Probably the best write up I've seen I bookmarked a few years back, and I agree 100% with this guys analysis.  http://www.gundigest.com/tactical-gear/tactical-guns/ar-15-pistons

The best system IMO is still a long stroke piston - Sig550/PE90 out of the dozens of military type semi autos I own and have used is still the best out of the box rifle in the world IMO, and the South Korean Daewoo Max is a close second, both long strokers.  Of the dozen + AR platforms and various uppers I have, 90% of them are DI, not piston, only my 10" and 11.5" uppers are piston rifles right now.


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Re: AK fanbois on suicide watch
« Reply #23 on: March 12, 2016, 02:05:02 PM »
The person who introduced me to the shooting world, served in the Army and NG.   His unit was invited to a NATO exercise at Camp Evjemoen back around 2002.   He will still sing the praises of the Valmet M76.  He preferred it and shot it the most out of all of the rifles.
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Re: AK fanbois on suicide watch
« Reply #24 on: March 12, 2016, 05:17:39 PM »
The Valmet is a licenced AK clone with some neat upgrades. Kinda like the Israeli Galil. Evjemoen is no more I'm sorry to say, was closed down in 2002. I've tried the Valmet, AKM, Swedish AK-4 and AK-5 and M-16A2, but my personal favorite of all the service rifles I've shot is the H&K G3, or specifically the Norwegian version, the AG3. Very accurate and reliable. No gas system, very simple delayed blow back. Never had a malfunction that wasn't just ammunition misfire. Can take a lot of mistreatment and crap and still runs, perfect for arctic conditions. Makes big holes in anything you point it at and you can really reach out and touch people at those arctic 500+ meter ranges.




At 7:50 there's a funny story how he got interested in the G3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jH7Q2oG-rW0
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Re: AK fanbois on suicide watch
« Reply #25 on: March 12, 2016, 06:49:21 PM »
Correct.   It was the last one held there, in either 2001 or 2002.   
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Re: AK fanbois on suicide watch
« Reply #26 on: March 12, 2016, 08:59:47 PM »
<3   :cry

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Re: AK fanbois on suicide watch
« Reply #27 on: March 12, 2016, 09:23:59 PM »
Mud test. Not as professionally done as those guys with the AR and AK tho. G3... the only gun I know of you can clean with mud.  :D

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Re: AK fanbois on suicide watch
« Reply #28 on: March 14, 2016, 07:27:55 PM »
G3/AK-4 is a very robust gun, just a Little Heavy and a bit slow to reload.
AK-5 is a bit more fragile but handle the climate well, good thing is that you can have the gloves on when you use it, nice feature in the Winter..
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Re: AK fanbois on suicide watch
« Reply #29 on: March 14, 2016, 07:31:02 PM »
But as for the test, it doesn't really prove anything, statistically speaking the result could just be a coincident...
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