.50 cal question

[morfiend]

Anyone can open the arena setting and look at the power settings for guns!

  IIRC the 50 cal is set to 1 pound,1.1 for a GV mount.

   You can go offline or setup a custom arena and adjust the damage settings for buildings,gun emplacements etc. this will allow you to test the weapon.

  Think about it,if HTC increased the effectiveness of the 50 they would have to adjust all other weapons accordingly. 20mm would become a 1 hit wonder much like the 30 against fighters.

  Really what players want is not a stronger 50 but a better damage model,or HTC could make it so you would auto eject if you got hit with say 20 or 30 50cals.... but everyone would complain about that too!


  YMMV.



   

[Wiley]

The general gist of what I've read in passing was historically, the .50 was a buzzsaw in close, got worse as range increased.  That seems to me to be pretty close to what we have in game.  At convergence it snapshots just fine.  Outside of that or only hitting with one bank, it takes a bit longer burst to remove parts.

When you consider it's not an explosive round and it's relying mostly on KE, I don't think its effectiveness is out of line.

Wiley.

[bustr]

We are also in the game's era of no really easy kills anymore. Even the noobs today catch on fast how to survive this fish bowel stuffed with hungry sharks. Then add in the vagaries of the Internet, the .50 just seems emasculated from say 2007 with it's packed target rich environment.

[49Dallas]

Nothing wrong with the .50.

[icepac]

Nothing wrong with the 50 when a pursuer can saw off parts of your plane at 1000 yards.

[oakranger]

Nothing wrong with the 50 when a pursuer can saw off parts of your plane at 1000 yards.

I am talking about de-tracking GVs. 

[Squire]

Nothing,
Zero,
Nada,
The absence of something.

HiTech

Thought as much.

[DmonSlyr]

Try going into the DA. Grab a C202 with 50s and 303s. Get your buddy to roll a f4f or Fm2. Shoot your buddy in the F4F from 250-300-400-600. Let me know how many bullets it takes you.

[Oldman731]

Try going into the DA. Grab a C202 with 50s and 303s. Get your buddy to roll a f4f or Fm2. Shoot your buddy in the F4F from 250-300-400-600. Let me know how many bullets it takes you.

The cowl guns in the 202 are not the same .50s as those on the US planes.  The Italian ballistics are significantly worse.

- oldman

[DmonSlyr]

The cowl guns in the 202 are not the same .50s as those on the US planes.  The Italian ballistics are significantly worse.

- oldman

So you are telling me that even though the bullets are close in general but not quite the same, that it should take over 400 rounds or more to take down an American plane with lets says 270 bullets actually making contact just to be fair?

[FLOOB]

So you are telling me that even though the bullets are close in general but not quite the same, that it should take over 400 rounds or more to take down an American plane with lets says 270 bullets actually making contact just to be fair?

They are not close in general. The browning .50 and the soviet shvak 12.7 are head and shoulders above the other .50cals of wwII. Having said that I do think the explosive power of the ho-103 and breda 12.7mm HE is too weak in Aces High.

[Oldman731]

They are not close in general. The browning .50 and the soviet shvak 12.7 are head and shoulders above the other .50cals of wwII. Having said that I do think the explosive power of the ho-103 and breda 12.7mm HE is too weak in Aces High.

I think the mouse-size explosive in the Breda shows up a bit when you get the range under 200 yards.  No science behind this, just a sense I've gotten over the years.

- oldman

[FLOOB]

Yeah but after watching an actual video of what 30cal vintage wwII explosive sniper ammo does my opinion changed. I was surprised how powerful it was, and this was just rifle ammo. They set a block of ballistic soap on a cinder block and shot it, the blast alone shattered the cinder block. And then you consider that the breda 12.7mm bullet has three times the mass of an 8mm.

Here's the video of the nerds testing it. Go to about 9 minutes into the video if you're short on time.

https://www.full30.com/video/82efb579fd3c93d177205966ef3d3c9d

 

[bustr]

When the ammo exploded inside of a block of something that contained the explosion for a moment or something brittle like a cinder block, yes the round is very impressive. Inside of essentially a large empty aluminum can with a gas vent hole, not as much. Any round making it into the cockpit, .30 and up is the magic BB to one ping kill the pilot.

You will have to argue with Hitech over how much he has weighted the 12.7 HE round against the damage weight list when it comes to engines and fuel tanks. I think the damage list is numerical with the AN\M2 50 cal weighted at 1. Not a list of specific components and their weaknesses against specific ammo types. So a component will have a number that has to be exceeded by any combination of ammo or destructive influence and the component is destroyed.

That is why performing the test with a jeep's M2 in a custom arena while the plane is parked will help. Otherwise you are telling Hitech about your feelings and not hard data.

[49Dallas]

Why is this thread still open?  There's nothing wrong with the .50 cal.