Why no balance in Ace plane selection for frame 2?

[Joker312]

Devil, I was hoping that you would see that the intent of the ace's plane selection is the simple fact that each side has 3 different fighters in use and there are 3 frames. It is only logical that each frame 1 of the fighters available to each side represent an ace that participated in the actual aircraft. Simple to see the logic behind the choices even if we all agree there are differences in the capabilities of each different aircraft.

And as far as you being CIC, it is also my understanding that in that capacity you should be spending your time working up a reasonable plan for you side to execute within the guidelines set forth in the write up of the FSO. Your challenge that this or that is "not fair" is not working within those guidelines.

It's not enjoyable for me to continue to see you question the rules during the event. These changes you seek should be addressed before or after the event not during.

[Devil 505]

It's not enjoyable for me to continue to see you question the rules during the event. These changes you seek should be addressed before or after the event not during.

The Ace mission is not a rule, it's a feature. And since the all of the individual frame pairings are not announced before the first frame, a complete discussion cannot be made before the first frame. And I'll be damned if I'm going to wait for a potential problem seen before the next frame to become a real problem during said frame to discuss it afterwards. This is a problem now and now is precisely the time to discuss it and solve it.

[Joker312]

Ok if that's the way you feel, I understand.

It really doesn't matter in the least what the outcome of this discussion is. The ace points are just a sideshow for those interested in score. Most who fly FSO do so for the enjoyment, not the score.

The satisfaction of participating in these FSO's is the personal knowledge that one helped accomplish their sides objectives given the constraints of the write up.

Hope you can resolve this to your satisfaction.

[DH367th]

The orders do not call for a discussion they clearly say axis ace fly's 202. Write your op and move on.

[Devil 505]

What I'm looking for a reason for the disparity. Or does balance not mean what it used to in FSO?

[Joker312]

That's all your looking for....that's easy.

Frame 1 was a disparity favoring the axis, frame two is the opposite.

Those 2 frames balance out!

[Devil 505]

That's all your looking for....that's easy.

Frame 1 was a disparity favoring the axis, frame two is the opposite.

Those 2 frames balance out!

It the frames weren't scored individually, I'd agree. But since points scored in a frame only apply to that frame, I don't.

If Swariam intendeds to use each fighter only once as the ace plane, then he botched the balance by not pairing the 202 with the P-40. The crux of the problem here, is that the Pony severely outcasses the entire axis planeset and really shouldn't have been included in the first place - much less being selected as plane for an ace mission.

[Drano]

It's not a "matchup". Chances are they won't face each other directly, in fact the two aces might not even be on the same side of the map.

The idea is to be an ace, get kills and not be killed. You can do that in anything. Please get over it.

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[Devil 505]

It's not a "matchup". Chances are they won't face each other directly, in fact the two aces might not even be on the same side of the map.

The idea is to be an ace, get kills and not be killed. You can do that in anything. Please get over it.

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Considering that the 202 was the most numerous Axis plane in frame 1, and that is likely to be the case in frame 2, The likelihood that a P-51 will encounter a C.202 is essentially certain.

Therefore, the performance disparity between the two planes is very important. The ability of the Allied ace to score bonus points is far greater than the Axis ace.

[Drano]

I'd say choose your ace pilot wisely then CiC. It's not the plane, it's the pilot.

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[ImADot]

Maybe let the Axis ace fly a P51 too, and let them both shot down C202s.

[pops57]

I was curios about this discussion so I jumped in to read it. I was just peeking through the window until coming upon the part of this statement that tells me HOW I'm supposed to get satisfaction from a game that I pay to play in. Excuse me!!! I'll get my fun how I wish thank you and yes I do my best to play within the rules. I'd like to think you were not intending to convey that one should only get what you do from this game, but that is indeed how part of your statement reads.

 until coming upon 

Ok if that's the way you feel, I understand.

It really doesn't matter in the least what the outcome of this discussion is. The ace points are just a sideshow for those interested in score. Most who fly FSO do so for the enjoyment, not the score.

The satisfaction of participating in these FSO's is the personal knowledge that one helped accomplish their sides objectives given the constraints of the write up.

Hope you can resolve this to your satisfaction.

[Joker312]

Hiya Pops,

     I have no idea why you would get the impression I was telling you anything.

      If that is all you came away with from that post then I suggest you try reading it again.

     You should have understood that it meant that most of the players I know feel that way. Not all, not you, just most of the players I have spoken to.

      Up until now I have never had any exchange of ideas with you but now I know you enjoy the points aspect of the game. My post is still accurate, the word most would just not include you.
 
     

[pops57]

 Hi Joker
The impression comes from your statement.
"The satisfaction of participating in these FSO's is the personal knowledge that one helped accomplish their sides objectives given the constraints of the write up."
The use of the word 'The' makes it a singular, definitive and exclusive statement. Perhaps had you started with, For some or For me or some other inclusive term your intended message would have been less open to interpretation on my part. That would have made it a supporting statement to the earlier one where you state 'most who fly FSO do so for the enjoyment, not the score' instead of a stand alone statement about how to enjoy the game.

 You might have guessed 'words and their meanings' were important in my profession and I guess old habits die hard.

Just an fyi I do not care much about the points (my words failing to convey this) if I were about the points/kills/etc I'd have been long out of this game as I'm really not good at it (look at my stats). I truly enjoy playing with the group of guys I fly with. Two of the people in my squad are my grown sons, we live hundreds of miles apart. I get to connect and spend time with them regularly through this game, that makes the points, kills, bombs, whatever else very secondary.
If I knocked down some fences here I hope I have mended them with my explanation.
here's wishing you a clear 6. pops    

[Joker312]

Pops,

No knocked down fences at all. My sentence structure was vague and you asked me about it.
No harm, I appreciate it. Hopefully I have learned something.

In my discussion on this topic, I only wanted to voice my opinion, not necessarily change anyone's mind.

When I saw how much this meant to Devil my intention was to give my feeling on the matter and move on.

Guess my feelings were not conveyed correctly:)

Thanks for taking the time.

See you up.