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Offline GScholz

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Re: Dogfight : F35 vs F16
« Reply #90 on: March 15, 2016, 09:27:05 AM »
Oh and Serenity... You, a USN pilot, telling me that US pilots can't speak their minds... And you say this in a thread on a forum open to the public where you bash the F-35... Must be some kind of record in irony...
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Re: Dogfight : F35 vs F16
« Reply #91 on: March 15, 2016, 09:44:51 AM »
Oh and Serenity... You, a USN pilot, telling me that US pilots can't speak their minds... And you say this in a thread on a forum open to the public where you bash the F-35... Must be some kind of record in irony...

Your delusional love affair with this piece of junk is the record...

It is a compromised airframe designed for yesterday's war (and they have even messed that up) which will never work at any price. 

This thing will create a lot of Chinese aces. 
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Re: Dogfight : F35 vs F16
« Reply #92 on: March 15, 2016, 09:53:18 AM »
No, it's not. The radar fails readily, the bays overheat, the doors can't be opened at cruise speed, the gun can't be fired due to software oversights... If the project was at least on time or budget, it could be tolerated, but everything about this program has failed so far.

And it can't beat an old Viper with tanks on.

Pathetic!

If this is the future we are doomed.
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Re: Dogfight : F35 vs F16
« Reply #93 on: March 15, 2016, 09:55:21 AM »
We would be better off cancelling the F-35 and upgrading the F-22, or skipping any further Gen 5 stuff and going direct to Gen 6 (supplementing with more legacy fighters).  There is not a single adversary that we can't match at this point with what we have.  Even if the time difference is 20 years before the Gen 6 arrives, we'd be better off without the F-35.


Right on. 

Better off with the Silent Eagle than this.
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Re: Dogfight : F35 vs F16
« Reply #94 on: March 15, 2016, 10:03:15 AM »
Your delusional love affair with this piece of junk is the record...

Even if that were true, how would it be ironic? I don't think that word means what you think it means...
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Re: Dogfight : F35 vs F16
« Reply #95 on: March 15, 2016, 10:12:13 AM »
Even if that were true, how would it be ironic? I don't think that word means what you think it means...


I don't think you know how to...   Well, any way, since I never used the term IRONIC.......  How ironic. 
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Re: Dogfight : F35 vs F16
« Reply #96 on: March 15, 2016, 10:14:55 AM »
Oh and Serenity... You, a USN pilot, telling me that US pilots can't speak their minds... And you say this in a thread on a forum open to the public where you bash the F-35... Must be some kind of record in irony...

Your delusional love affair with this piece of junk is the record...

Come again?
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Re: Dogfight : F35 vs F16
« Reply #97 on: March 15, 2016, 10:19:54 AM »
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Re: Dogfight : F35 vs F16
« Reply #98 on: March 15, 2016, 10:27:18 AM »
Fine. Try writing it in Norwegian then maybe I'll get your meaning.  :aok
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Re: Dogfight : F35 vs F16
« Reply #99 on: March 15, 2016, 01:48:12 PM »
Oh and Serenity... You, a USN pilot, telling me that US pilots can't speak their minds... And you say this in a thread on a forum open to the public where you bash the F-35... Must be some kind of record in irony...

I'm not speaking here as a representative of the Navy, in uniform, or presenting myself as a government official. Nor am I in front of cameras conducting interviews. Although I'm not surprised you don't understand the difference between the two situations.

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Re: Dogfight : F35 vs F16
« Reply #100 on: March 15, 2016, 01:56:50 PM »
I'm not speaking here as a representative of the Navy, in uniform, or presenting myself as a government official. Nor am I in front of cameras conducting interviews. Although I'm not surprised you don't understand the difference between the two situations.

Then show me an anonymous F-35 pilot posting negatively about the F-35 on some public forum like you are doing here. I think you'll be hard pressed to find it because I don't believe it exists.
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Re: Dogfight : F35 vs F16
« Reply #101 on: March 15, 2016, 02:07:45 PM »
Then show me an anonymous F-35 pilot posting negatively about the F-35 on some public forum like you are doing here. I think you'll be hard pressed to find it because I don't believe it exists.

No, it likely doesn't, because they would be in a HELL of a lot more hot water than I would be for this post.

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Re: Dogfight : F35 vs F16
« Reply #102 on: March 15, 2016, 02:08:30 PM »
Why aren't F-35 pilots from several different services and nations at least anonymously blowing the whistle on this aircraft if they think it is "crap"? After all it is their arses that will be riding in this aircraft for probably the rest of their careers.
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Re: Dogfight : F35 vs F16
« Reply #103 on: March 15, 2016, 02:09:02 PM »
Not even one...
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Re: Dogfight : F35 vs F16
« Reply #104 on: March 15, 2016, 05:03:10 PM »
Nope. Contract bound to eight nations. Just let it go.

You're being foolish.  If the US backs off on orders, you can bet your sweet tush that other nations will take notice. 

Chances are fairly high that the F-35 orders are going to be throttled back for the US.  Beyond the failures of the program, the F-35 costs far too much for what it can deliver, especially at a time when other as important if not more important defense projects are crying for money.

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