Dogfight : F35 vs F16

[Vraciu]

See Rule #4

[GScholz]

See Rule #4

[Vraciu]

See Rule #4

[LCADolby]

Oh.  And thanks Marines.  Your love affair with VTOL (which only the Brits have ever managed to use effectively) has compromised the whole program.   

The wonderful Harrier, cheap at half the price 

[Vraciu]

The wonderful Harrier, cheap at half the price 

And can actually carry stuff of value to the battlefield commander.

[Zimme83]

VTOL should never have been even considered, it's a very unnecessary feature since it doesn't add anything, it's just so the marines could feel special. But conventional land and carrier based fighters will do the same job just as good.

[Vraciu]

VTOL should never have been even considered, it's a very unnecessary feature since it doesn't add anything, it's just so the marines could feel special. But conventional land and carrier based fighters will do the same job just as good.

Have you looked at the pads that have to be setup for the F-35 to forward deploy?

How are those gonna' be transported?

And where is the fuel going to come from?

It's a concept that has no hope of success in the form of the Joint Strike Failure.    It boggles the mind. 

[GScholz]

Google translate of an article today in the Norwegian "Technical Weekly" magazine with an interview with lieutenant colonel Martin «Tintin» Tesli of the RNoAF. The F-35 exceeds everything he imagined.

https://translate.google.no/translate?sl=no&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=no&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tu.no%2Fartikler%2Ff-35-vs-f-15-8-0-flyet-overgar-alt-jeg-kunne-forestille-meg%2F349153&edit-text=&act=url

"- Already now we can conclude that the criticism of the F-35 is put to shame, for example in terms of maneuverability, and technical solutions. What many critics allege is not possible, we do every day. And yet the machine is not fully developed."

[Zimme83]

With the range of modern fighters and air refueling it should not be necessary to have VTOL aircrafts for landing at forward air bases. The Helicopter was invented for a reason..

[Zimme83]

Google translate of an article today in the Norwegian "Technical Weekly" magazine with an interview with lieutenant colonel Martin «Tintin» Tesli of the RNoAF. The F-35 exceeds everything he imagined.

https://translate.google.no/translate?sl=no&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=no&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tu.no%2Fartikler%2Ff-35-vs-f-15-8-0-flyet-overgar-alt-jeg-kunne-forestille-meg%2F349153&edit-text=&act=url

Good for him. But again, no pilot will say anything else in public. Its part of their job.

[Vraciu]

Google translate of an article today in the Norwegian "Technical Weekly" magazine with an interview with lieutenant colonel Martin «Tintin» Tesli of the RNoAF. The F-35 exceeds everything he imagined.

https://translate.google.no/translate?sl=no&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=no&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tu.no%2Fartikler%2Ff-35-vs-f-15-8-0-flyet-overgar-alt-jeg-kunne-forestille-meg%2F349153&edit-text=&act=url

I can't read that choppy English. 

What did he fly before, F-84s?

[Vraciu]

Good for him. But again, no pilot will say anything else in public. Its part of their job.

Exactly. 

No way he is gonna' say, "This thing is such a tub.  I wish I had an F-86 instead."  Even if that sentiment were 100 percent true.


I am sure the Marines at Midway had full faith and confidence in their F2As. 

[GScholz]

Good for him. But again, no pilot will say anything else in public. Its part of their job.

Really... As a nurse it is your job to speak highly of Swedish health service?

[Zimme83]

Really... As a nurse it is your job to speak highly of Swedish health service?

No but it can still have negative consequences if I do it in public.. People have lost their jobs because of it...

[GScholz]

Not so over here. People in public jobs are whining to the media all the time over here, and last years winner of the "Frie Ord" award (free word) was a Norwegian Army officer for speaking out against our foreign policy and military operations. He didn't lose his job over it. If anyone lost their job in a state or municipal job for speaking out in the media the result would be a wrongful dismissal suit worthy of national media attention.