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Re: Dogfight : F35 vs F16
« Reply #585 on: July 08, 2016, 09:56:37 AM »
They haven't started mass production yet...  :huh


Good.  Maybe they'll cancel it before that happens.
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Re: Dogfight : F35 vs F16
« Reply #586 on: July 08, 2016, 09:58:14 AM »
Lol, no they have just build 170+ prototypes so far.  :rofl

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Re: Dogfight : F35 vs F16
« Reply #587 on: July 08, 2016, 09:59:46 AM »
Lot 10 is in the bag.  :aok

"WASHINGTON, July 8 (UPI) -- Lockheed Martin has received a $559 million U.S. Navy contract for low rate initial production of Lot 10 F-35 Lightning II fighters.

The cost-plus-incentive-fee, fixed-priced-incentive-firm contract covers Joint Strike Fighter non-air vehicle spares, support equipment, autonomic logistics information system hardware and software upgrades, supply chain management, full mission simulators and non-recurring engineering services.

It covers work for the U.S. Air Force, Navy, partner nations and foreign military sales customers."

http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Security-Industry/2016/07/08/Lockheed-Martin-gets-559-million-for-Lot-10-F-35s/9531467983225/
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Re: Dogfight : F35 vs F16
« Reply #588 on: July 08, 2016, 10:07:22 AM »
See Rule #14
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Re: Dogfight : F35 vs F16
« Reply #589 on: July 08, 2016, 10:20:15 AM »
"Of course the F-35 is not currently capable of meeting these requirements, but the Air Force (I predict) will declare that it is. The major problem is that the Block 2 software (which the Air Force misleadingly calls Block 3i) suffers from immaturity and instability, so the system is incapable of conducting operational missions utilizing system development and demonstration (SDD) program of record weapons and mission systems. There are also problems with mission data loads and ALIS, and the plane itself has a thousand deficiencies and a heavy maintenance requirement. So the designated IOC squadron will non-deployable, as the IOC Marine squadron is. It's a marketing move, not a military action." - Don Bacon, Aviation Week
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Re: Dogfight : F35 vs F16
« Reply #590 on: July 08, 2016, 10:38:07 AM »
Some good stuff in here.

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The origins of this problem are a dozen years old, and have to do with variance between the original vision for the F-35 (stealthy, adaptable, precision strike aircraft with enough air-to-air capability to defend itself) and what it’s now being asked to do (everything).

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Last week, Gen. Herbert Carlisle admitted what had been long denied by Air Force officials when he explained that the F-35 would not dogfight, leaving the definitive, core Air Force mission to the service’s small stable of F-22s. This often contradictory and always entertaining furball of rhetoric happens against the backdrop of twin revelations that the Marine Corps overstated F-35 performance during operational trials and that the Air Force quietly tuned down program requirements to stay on its developmental timeline.

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An eight-page propaganda plan obtained by JQP — labeled “F-35A Public Affairs Guidance” and shared in entirety below — lays out in painstaking (and painful) detail the authorized answers to public questions about the program.

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This document is about a chosen, authorized narrative of the F-35, not the F-35 itself. Given that it purports to be about the F-35, but is really about a chosen image of the F-35, it’s a fundamentally dishonest exercise.



http://www.jqpublicblog.com/ten-things-you-should-know-about-the-air-forces-f-35-propaganda-effort/

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Re: Dogfight : F35 vs F16
« Reply #591 on: July 08, 2016, 11:10:27 AM »
See Rule #4
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Re: Dogfight : F35 vs F16
« Reply #592 on: July 08, 2016, 11:16:39 AM »
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Re: Dogfight : F35 vs F16
« Reply #593 on: July 08, 2016, 11:27:28 AM »
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Re: Dogfight : F35 vs F16
« Reply #594 on: July 08, 2016, 11:29:09 AM »
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Re: Dogfight : F35 vs F16
« Reply #595 on: July 08, 2016, 11:35:57 AM »
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Re: Dogfight : F35 vs F16
« Reply #596 on: July 08, 2016, 11:45:16 AM »
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Re: Dogfight : F35 vs F16
« Reply #597 on: July 08, 2016, 11:51:30 AM »
The gun doesn't work.  It won't power up if it is too hot or cold outside.   You can't get the computer to recognize part swaps (think the disaster that is Windows Plug-and-Play).   

Nevermind that it has no range.   That won't matter because it can't even be fueled from the truck.

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[Now] there are concerns as to whether the F-35 can even be traditionally fueled because the plane has a problem with accepting hotter fuel. The air force’s current solution is to repaint fuel trucks to accept less sunlight in hopes of keeping the temperature down. Seriously.

http://www.mintpressnews.com/americas-new-trillion-dollar-war-plane/214573/
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Re: Dogfight : F35 vs F16
« Reply #598 on: July 08, 2016, 11:55:46 AM »
F-35C "coming along nicely" -- or not. 

http://www.janes.com/article/55987/wing-spar-cracks-found-on-usn-f-35-variant

It's already overweight.  Now let's beef it up...   The death spiral continues.
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Re: Dogfight : F35 vs F16
« Reply #599 on: July 08, 2016, 11:59:52 AM »
F-35C "coming along nicely" -- or not. 

http://www.janes.com/article/55987/wing-spar-cracks-found-on-usn-f-35-variant

Yes, that is just one example, more is mentioned in the evaluation report, available to anyone that bothers to read it.
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