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Offline GScholz

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Re: Dogfight : F35 vs F16
« Reply #600 on: July 08, 2016, 12:03:29 PM »
"Initial estimates indicate a modification of approximately a half a pound to the aircraft will fix it," said DellaVedova. "Modifications to planes flying today will be incorporated to ensure full life operation."
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Re: Dogfight : F35 vs F16
« Reply #601 on: July 08, 2016, 12:03:44 PM »
See Rule #4
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Re: Dogfight : F35 vs F16
« Reply #602 on: July 08, 2016, 12:04:39 PM »
Quote from: GScholz on July 08, 2016, 12:03:29 PM
"Initial estimates indicate a modification of approximately a half a pound to the aircraft will fix it," said DellaVedova. "Modifications to planes flying today will be incorporated to ensure full life operation."

"Initial estimates."  I have a bridge to sell you if you believe that.

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The government and industry teams are working to find an engineering solution, he noted. One potential fix includes a modification of approximately a half pound to the aircraft. The fix will be incorporated to the rest of the fleet.

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They don't even HAVE a fix yet.  And if they do then it will break somewhere else next.   But let's keep building them any way.  The boneyard is getting empty now that we have finished off all the QF-4s and are moving on to QF-16s. 

http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/air-space/strike/2015/11/16/crack-discovered-f-35c-wing-spar-test-plane/75893376/

Half a pound?   That's a lot of duct tape.

Wait until this thing gets to the boat.   It will break down like beer bubbles with Gas-X. 
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Re: Dogfight : F35 vs F16
« Reply #603 on: July 08, 2016, 04:32:32 PM »
The one thing that might have helped the F-35C, a larger wing, is turning out to be a failure due to cracks.

The Japanese, when they produced their own version of the F-16, increased the wing area.  They had a tremendous amount of trouble with cracking.
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Re: Dogfight : F35 vs F16
« Reply #604 on: July 08, 2016, 06:48:27 PM »
F-16s in general were plagued by teething problems. As with the F-35 Norway was a partner nation in the F-16 program. We lost one third of our fleet in accidents between 1981 and 1992, predominantly to technical issues. Some even just caught fire and burned up on the ground. 1992-2016 we've had a single loss: pilot error hitting power cables. Superior technology comes at a cost. Both in money and lives. Though not as high a cost as inferior technology in a shooting war...
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Re: Dogfight : F35 vs F16
« Reply #605 on: July 08, 2016, 06:56:58 PM »
Quote from: GScholz on July 08, 2016, 06:48:27 PM
F-16s in general were plagued by teething problems. As with the F-35 Norway was a partner nation in the F-16 program. We lost one third of our fleet in accidents between 1981 and 1992, predominantly to technical issues. Some even just caught fire and burned up on the ground. 1992-2016 we've had a single loss: pilot error hitting power cables. Superior technology comes at a cost. Both in money and lives. Though not as high a cost as inferior technology in a shooting war...


The only reason Norway is buying this piece of junk I because they have to.  It's protection money.  The USA is like the neighborhood mobster extorting money from the locals.   In return Norway gets the reassurance of an umbrella for a rainy day. 

It's ridiculous all the way around.

$160M mistake jets that do NOT work, do NOT perform, and will need multiple repairs and upgrades at an unspecified cost in the HOPE they'll be "combat ready" around 2022. 

Sad. 
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Re: Dogfight : F35 vs F16
« Reply #606 on: July 08, 2016, 06:59:15 PM »
Quote from: DaveBB on July 08, 2016, 04:32:32 PM
The one thing that might have helped the F-35C, a larger wing, is turning out to be a failure due to cracks.

The Japanese, when they produced their own version of the F-16, increased the wing area.  They had a tremendous amount of trouble with cracking.


I have always wondered how the F-16XL would have turned out as a strike fighter. 

It would beat the pants off the F-35 for sure.
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Re: Dogfight : F35 vs F16
« Reply #607 on: July 09, 2016, 09:56:40 AM »
Quote from: Vraciu on July 08, 2016, 06:59:15 PM

I have always wondered how the F-16XL would have turned out as a strike fighter. 

It would beat the pants off the F-35 for sure.

The prototype worked very well.   NASA actually used it for testing after the USAF went with the F-15E instead of the F-16XL. 
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Re: Dogfight : F35 vs F16
« Reply #608 on: July 09, 2016, 12:23:52 PM »
Correct, and from the stuff available online about the F16XL/F15E decision, it was a very close run thing.  I'll link the pages I have saved about the 16XL and that F15E decision, it's very interesting.  F15E turned out fantastic, but the 16XL would have been great as well, even supplementing the 15E as well wouldn't have been awful, making say 1/3 the Falcon fleet XLs would have really increased strike capabilities.  The 16Xl was/is an incredible platform, and with the engines we have now with that platform - I'd like to see that.
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Re: Dogfight : F35 vs F16
« Reply #609 on: July 09, 2016, 06:57:57 PM »
But... But, it looked French!
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Re: Dogfight : F35 vs F16
« Reply #610 on: July 09, 2016, 11:16:26 PM »
Quote from: GScholz on July 09, 2016, 06:57:57 PM
But... But, it looked French!


Well, at least the French finally perfected the F-106. 
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Re: Dogfight : F35 vs F16
« Reply #611 on: July 10, 2016, 06:29:18 AM »
Norway actually chose from some plane types.

Swedish demands are very different from most other countries on their fighters, like take off from the road network (500 meters), and be able to use them as fighters,attack,and recon.



Quote from: Vraciu on July 08, 2016, 06:56:58 PM

The only reason Norway is buying this piece of junk I because they have to.  It's protection money.  The USA is like the neighborhood mobster extorting money from the locals.   In return Norway gets the reassurance of an umbrella for a rainy day. 

It's ridiculous all the way around.

$160M mistake jets that do NOT work, do NOT perform, and will need multiple repairs and upgrades at an unspecified cost in the HOPE they'll be "combat ready" around 2022. 

Sad.
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Re: Dogfight : F35 vs F16
« Reply #612 on: July 10, 2016, 06:57:52 AM »
See Rule #14
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Re: Dogfight : F35 vs F16
« Reply #613 on: July 10, 2016, 08:30:02 AM »
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Re: Dogfight : F35 vs F16
« Reply #614 on: July 10, 2016, 08:51:00 AM »
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