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Offline Hajo

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« Reply #75 on: April 26, 2016, 12:37:10 PM »
Any of you MOPAR guys thinking of a Hellcat?  I recently had the opportunity to play with one (Challenger) on the A-Bahn.  Very fast car.  The driver was a bit reckless and due to that - I backed out and let him go.  It was a German - which surprised me.  It's hard for the every day German to purchase a car like that in Deutschland.

Ammo I was more then thinking about it, I was actually lining up prices.  Then I came to my senses.

First: MSRP is around 59K  Dealers are charging around 80K if not more.

Second: My SRT has more then enough for what I do with it.  I'm not going to the track as I did 45 years ago and race.  At my age those days are over.

I will occasionally line up for a short go on the road but that is the extent of what I will do.  Takes awhile to grow up.  I finally did.

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« Reply #76 on: April 26, 2016, 01:01:17 PM »
Any of you MOPAR guys thinking of a Hellcat?  I recently had the opportunity to play with one (Challenger) on the A-Bahn.  Very fast car.  The driver was a bit reckless and due to that - I backed out and let him go.  It was a German - which surprised me.  It's hard for the every day German to purchase a car like that in Deutschland.

I am.  I am waiting for the HC to get a bit longer in the tooth before I look though.  Frankly this 392 is by far the most thrilling car I have owned.  I love it.  Once you get in the neighborhood of 500HP - in the real world another 200 HP makes little difference.  But - Back in the day I wouldn't stop at a 383 if a 440 was available etc... So yeah...I see myself in a HC in the future.

Watch those Germans Ammo - I hear they are reckless.

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« Reply #77 on: April 26, 2016, 07:50:40 PM »
Nah, the Hellcat is not for me. Waaaaaaaay too heavy for road racing. For that money/weight range/comfort I'd get a GTR ... for that money I'd get a Z06.
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« Reply #78 on: April 26, 2016, 10:20:56 PM »
Nah, the Hellcat is not for me. Waaaaaaaay too heavy for road racing. For that money/weight range/comfort I'd get a GTR ... for that money I'd get a Z06.

Not true Frenchy!  If you care to check in 2014 the Challenger won the T/A series.  Ran at Lime Rock, Laguna Seca etc.  It was heavy enough to beat everything else thrown at it.

I don't know how the Challenger did in the series for 2015.  When I think of it I will check.
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« Reply #79 on: April 27, 2016, 01:44:47 PM »

I like the somewhat heavier feel of the Chally.  But I also like phat bottomed gurls.

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« Reply #80 on: April 27, 2016, 02:03:54 PM »
 :lol Hajo You know you can't come in this forum and BS me about racing :angel:. Yeah like a purpose built TA2 tubular frame Challenger has anything to do with your dawg. As Ammo knows, you have to pick your battles. It makes no doubt that the Hellcats and GT500s are only highway predators, but you still have to know what you are racing as the laws of aerodynamics are a pain.

I grew up in the 70s watching road racing. The big V8s trans am cars were exotics for us in France and we all were in love with the big loud V8s, but the reality was they were merely moving chicanes for the lighter European cars. Technology is amazing nowadays and our beloved Muscle Cars can actually turn. Still there is so much more involved, and weight is the big enemy of road racing and so is power as it involves balance. A great example is the Z06 lapping slower than a Nismo GTR. The GTR is heavier, less power and way more weight. But the computer makes it so easy to drive that the driver can exit corners faster with more grip. Corner exit speed is pinnacle, in my little 1,800lbs, 110HP GT6 I could get so much faster out of tight corners than the guy in the mustang with 300HP+ could only catch up half a mile later ... right when he had to slow down again for the next corner.

Anyway, your Challenger is a high 400HP front engine 4000lbs plus cars with a weight repartition of 54/46 and the C/D of a brick. You are like a semi-pro body builder, Ammo with his GT500 (or the Hellcat) is a pro bodybuilder ... but either of you would be foolish to get in an arena against a MMA champ ... aka a road course.  :ahand
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« Reply #81 on: April 27, 2016, 04:48:02 PM »
Oh?   And the Mustangs and Camaros made no changes to their suspension?  They did also.  You're not talking to someone that doesn't know automobiles.

Frenchy, and I'm not trying to be insulting, I've been into cars a long long time.  I've been pulling engines since Lyndon Johnson was President.

I don't do it anymore.  I  don't have the room.  I'll always give a friend a hand but at 66 years of age I've slowed down somewhat.

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« Reply #82 on: April 27, 2016, 05:22:38 PM »
Did you even read what I wrote?

Technology is amazing nowadays and our beloved Muscle Cars can actually turn.

Anyway I pilled up a bunch of examples and I think they were all well worded and sensible. I did though you mentioning TA2 was a jest, if not, you are starting to worry me. :confused:
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« Reply #83 on: April 27, 2016, 06:34:28 PM »
Frenchy,

  Dont forget about brakes!!!!!!!!  All go and no whoa isnt a good thing,especially in road racing!  Look at F1,the fastest cars arent in the top 4,it's the cars that can go and whoa that make the top 4!

  More time is made up in the brake zone than all the power in the world.  All the fastest guys were late brakers who had good brakes,same went in the old 70's TA racers,CanAm too about the only place it doesnt matter is when you turn left all day....... :D

 Now add in aero,weight and a less than ideal chassis and well you get a muscle car......  I do like the MMA reference,the bodybuilder might be great outta the gate but wont have the cardio to go the distance!!! :aok


 That said dont get me wrong,I like some good ole muscle cars but I was always more interested in the cars that could turn and might be why I rode bikes more than drove all the sweet rides back in the day.



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« Reply #84 on: April 28, 2016, 10:14:55 AM »

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I did though you mentioning TA2 was a jest, if not, you are starting to worry me.

C'mon Frenchy!

The tail lights are stock!  :D

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« Reply #85 on: April 28, 2016, 10:53:53 AM »
This GT500 is a beast in a drag race and open straight roads.  While there are several cars, not even considered exotic, that will give it fits in track race, the car is no slouch there either.  I would say its weakest link is its brakes.  They are great for the first lap, but are known to fade quickly.  I personally have not tracked the car but read the forums. 

I'll tell you the cars I have big respect for in comparison - three models of Porsche  - mainly those that have additional alphanumeric characters.  I played around with a Cayman GT4 one day and quickly learned that car is no joke.  All the late model 911s are quick and generally do everything a sports car should do very well.  I have played with a couple of GTRs on the Bahn - I walked away from them when the lines started to blur.  I expect hey we're stock.  All the BMW M series are quick - still I can take them. The Audi TtRS is surprisingly fast. I have more respect for it than I do an A8 - by my experiences.  That Hellcat I played with would take an R8 - supposition only.
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« Reply #87 on: May 10, 2016, 02:19:35 PM »
Tow a boat with that thing?
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« Reply #88 on: May 10, 2016, 03:51:43 PM »
Tow a boat with that thing?

Two of them things you fish out of...

Let me know when you got room for one more.  I'll be out.

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« Reply #89 on: May 11, 2016, 03:14:15 PM »
Get the hitch on that thing and come pick me up. 
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